Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Paul Jason · September 8th, 2004, 07:50 PM

No, I guess it wouldn't be an easter egg if you told me. I was one of those kids that followed other kids and picked up the eggs that fell out of their easter baskets. I guess that's why I had to ask you where it was :-))

Mitch Buss · September 8th, 2004, 09:46 PM

How do you do that? I'm very new to vegas and am trying to get the film look as close as possible so can someone help me out please?

Mitch

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 8th, 2004, 10:11 PM

Procoder is the only software encoder I've found that is equal to or better than, Vegas MC 2pass encode.
If you aren't happy with the encodes, I'd suggest it's pilot error and not the encoder. Vegas implementation of the Main Concept tools is about as good as it gets without going to hardware. I wish that Compressor on my Mac was as good as Vegas.
Anyway, Procoder does a great job. On VCDHelp.com, there is a shootout between most of the major encoders, and Vegas was one of 2 winners. Procoder was the other.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 9th, 2004, 01:52 AM

There is a tutorial or 2 on this very subject on the http://www.vasst.com/login.htm site.
Look for the "Getting a Film Look in Vegas 4.0" tutorial. You can search by author too. (DSE)
Edward also offers a script you can purchase that does much the same thing as what's in my tutorial.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 9th, 2004, 01:57 AM

Josh, why use the Windows Media Encoder? Why not use the Vegas encoder? It's much better, has far better preprocessing. It's slower, but who cares?
Go to Tools>Burn>Multimedia CD. Burn an MPEG 2, Windows Media,REAL, Quicktime, whatever you want directly in there. You can also include a player installer if you need to, or are worried the judges won't have a player.
As far as the lagging...have you tried a different media by chance?
DVD or CD, if the avi file (which is actually compressed if it's DV) is only 944 Mb, getting it to 700Mb is easy as breathing. And the datarate should play off of anything.

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2004, 02:11 AM

Why do you think de-interlacing and converting to 24p will give
you a "film look" (whatever that is exactly). I'd suggest you read
the threads in our "film look" forum as well

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2004, 02:53 AM

Keep in mind that there is also an Canopus ProCoder Express
which should be cheaper. TMPGEnc (cheap) is also a good
encoder as is CinemaCraft Encoder.

The ProCoder engine is definitely better than the MC Vegas one
and CCE should be better as well. Not sure about TMPGEnc.

www.canopus.com (ProCoder)
www.cinemacraft.com (CCE)
www.tmpgenc.net (TMPGEnc)

You can always try the trials for CCE & TMPGEnc.

www.doom9.org (guides)
www.vcdhelp.com (guides)

Note: I wrote earlier that CCE also has a free version but it
looks like that has been discontinued. Only trial and full product
(which last I heard is still expensive).

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2004, 07:26 AM

The film-look script is FREE.

Vegas 4 version

Vegas 5 version

Richard Alvarez · September 9th, 2004, 07:58 AM

Mpeg 4 IS included in Sorenson Squeeze but not the "lite" version.

Peter Jefferson · September 9th, 2004, 08:20 AM

yeah, procoder expres is about $50US does everything apart from batch render and afew other "pro" features...

but as DSE says, teh main concept encoder is actually really good depending on how u use it..

Ive done 2 and half hour 4.7gb VBR discs which ive tests on a high def Plasma screen with no excessive noticable artefacts....

IM actually quite surprised at teh results considering the speed in which this encodes.. procoder IS good, but it IS slow..

Kevin Crockett · September 9th, 2004, 08:47 AM

Can you use Vegas on a PC that has shared video memory?

I went to Sony's site and under Vegas specifications it doesn't say that it can't be used with shared memory.

I'd appreciate your views.

Peter Jefferson · September 9th, 2004, 08:53 AM

it can.. shared video memory is basically your video card leeching resources from ur ram and cpu...
So when configuring your ram setting in vegas, leave a bit of a buffer so ur GFX card doesnt die :)

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2004, 08:57 AM

I've never said the Vegas MC encoder is bad. It is actually quite
good. I do think (personally) that ProCoder and CCE are just
better, that's all.

Peter Jefferson · September 9th, 2004, 08:57 AM

Acid Pro 4 AND Volume 1 of the Vision Series...

which is bloody awesome value if u ask me..

Also, SOny have released a hacked down version of Vegas+ DVDA 1... its Vegas Studio + DVD
Looks quite good.. nice lil consumer package dumbed down a lil and good for those wanting to get into vegas but were to afraid to take teh full plunge.. it also has a walkthrough tutorial (like the Factory series)

If anyone wants mroe info and theyre in Oz, drop me an email with their fone number :)
Id be more than happy to go through the details with you.. i mean thres not that many people in Oz who use Vegas as much as id like.. lol

Josh Bass · September 9th, 2004, 02:46 PM

Thanks, but on Rob's advice, I've arranged for a friend who's decently close by to burn it to a DVD.

When I having the lag issue, I actually WAS playing it off my hard drive, not off the CD. That's why it bothered me so much, didn't seem like it should lag being played right off the HD.

Regarding Windows Media Encoder: A long time ago, I complained about not being able to get a good file size/quality ratio from Vegas 4s encoder, and someone on here pointed me toward the Windows Media Encoder, so I've been using it ever since.

After I burn this DVD, I'll come back and screw around with the suggestions you guys have given me.

September 8th, 2004, 09:46 PM	#782
Mitch Buss Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 184	deinterlace and convert to 24p How do you do that? I'm very new to vegas and am trying to get the film look as close as possible so can someone help me out please? Mitch

September 8th, 2004, 10:11 PM	#783
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Procoder is the only software encoder I've found that is equal to or better than, Vegas MC 2pass encode. If you aren't happy with the encodes, I'd suggest it's pilot error and not the encoder. Vegas implementation of the Main Concept tools is about as good as it gets without going to hardware. I wish that Compressor on my Mac was as good as Vegas. Anyway, Procoder does a great job. On VCDHelp.com, there is a shootout between most of the major encoders, and Vegas was one of 2 winners. Procoder was the other. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 9th, 2004, 01:52 AM	#784
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	There is a tutorial or 2 on this very subject on the http://www.vasst.com/login.htm site. Look for the "Getting a Film Look in Vegas 4.0" tutorial. You can search by author too. (DSE) Edward also offers a script you can purchase that does much the same thing as what's in my tutorial. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 9th, 2004, 01:57 AM	#785
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Josh, why use the Windows Media Encoder? Why not use the Vegas encoder? It's much better, has far better preprocessing. It's slower, but who cares? Go to Tools>Burn>Multimedia CD. Burn an MPEG 2, Windows Media,REAL, Quicktime, whatever you want directly in there. You can also include a player installer if you need to, or are worried the judges won't have a player. As far as the lagging...have you tried a different media by chance? DVD or CD, if the avi file (which is actually compressed if it's DV) is only 944 Mb, getting it to 700Mb is easy as breathing. And the datarate should play off of anything. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 9th, 2004, 02:11 AM	#786
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why do you think de-interlacing and converting to 24p will give you a "film look" (whatever that is exactly). I'd suggest you read the threads in our "film look" forum as well __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 8th, 2004, 07:50 PM	#781
Paul Jason Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 163	No, I guess it wouldn't be an easter egg if you told me. I was one of those kids that followed other kids and picked up the eggs that fell out of their easter baskets. I guess that's why I had to ask you where it was :-))

September 9th, 2004, 02:53 AM	#787
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Keep in mind that there is also an Canopus ProCoder Express which should be cheaper. TMPGEnc (cheap) is also a good encoder as is CinemaCraft Encoder. The ProCoder engine is definitely better than the MC Vegas one and CCE should be better as well. Not sure about TMPGEnc. www.canopus.com (ProCoder) www.cinemacraft.com (CCE) www.tmpgenc.net (TMPGEnc) You can always try the trials for CCE & TMPGEnc. www.doom9.org (guides) www.vcdhelp.com (guides) Note: I wrote earlier that CCE also has a free version but it looks like that has been discontinued. Only trial and full product (which last I heard is still expensive). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2004, 07:26 AM	#788
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The film-look script is FREE. Vegas 4 version Vegas 5 version __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 9th, 2004, 07:58 AM	#789
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Mpeg 4 IS included in Sorenson Squeeze but not the "lite" version.

September 9th, 2004, 08:20 AM	#790
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	yeah, procoder expres is about $50US does everything apart from batch render and afew other "pro" features... but as DSE says, teh main concept encoder is actually really good depending on how u use it.. Ive done 2 and half hour 4.7gb VBR discs which ive tests on a high def Plasma screen with no excessive noticable artefacts.... IM actually quite surprised at teh results considering the speed in which this encodes.. procoder IS good, but it IS slow..

September 9th, 2004, 08:47 AM	#791
Kevin Crockett Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: FL. Posts: 71	Vegas 5 and Shared Video Memory Can you use Vegas on a PC that has shared video memory? I went to Sony's site and under Vegas specifications it doesn't say that it can't be used with shared memory. I'd appreciate your views.

September 9th, 2004, 08:53 AM	#792
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	it can.. shared video memory is basically your video card leeching resources from ur ram and cpu... So when configuring your ram setting in vegas, leave a bit of a buffer so ur GFX card doesnt die :)

September 9th, 2004, 08:57 AM	#793
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've never said the Vegas MC encoder is bad. It is actually quite good. I do think (personally) that ProCoder and CCE are just better, that's all. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2004, 08:57 AM	#794
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Vega 5 + DVD Now shipping with .... Acid Pro 4 AND Volume 1 of the Vision Series... which is bloody awesome value if u ask me.. Also, SOny have released a hacked down version of Vegas+ DVDA 1... its Vegas Studio + DVD Looks quite good.. nice lil consumer package dumbed down a lil and good for those wanting to get into vegas but were to afraid to take teh full plunge.. it also has a walkthrough tutorial (like the Factory series) If anyone wants mroe info and theyre in Oz, drop me an email with their fone number :) Id be more than happy to go through the details with you.. i mean thres not that many people in Oz who use Vegas as much as id like.. lol

September 9th, 2004, 02:46 PM	#795
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Thanks, but on Rob's advice, I've arranged for a friend who's decently close by to burn it to a DVD. When I having the lag issue, I actually WAS playing it off my hard drive, not off the CD. That's why it bothered me so much, didn't seem like it should lag being played right off the HD. Regarding Windows Media Encoder: A long time ago, I complained about not being able to get a good file size/quality ratio from Vegas 4s encoder, and someone on here pointed me toward the Windows Media Encoder, so I've been using it ever since. After I burn this DVD, I'll come back and screw around with the suggestions you guys have given me. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB