XL1s Jaggy Artifact Problem...

Adam Lawrence · March 26th, 2002, 03:50 PM

Chris..

Wow, I am surprised to hear that.

When i shot LP mode and reviewed the footage it noticably had a difference
in image quality. I even did a test after I made the supposed "mistake"
of shooting in LP mode, and sure enough i found a loss in quality.

I now am wondering why this is, I did capture though a canopus board
with canopus DV codec rather than my usuall firewire capture,
maybe that had something to do with it, maybe some settings or something.

I am also wondering about the canopus booster package you talked about, I did enjoy working with canopus hardware in the past, plus I agree it is a great codec! where about to i optain a copy of this, Im not sure if I found it on the link you supplied. i would like to have the ability to use canopus codec.

Chris Hurd · March 26th, 2002, 05:56 PM

Adam...

My bad, here's the correct link: http://www.justedit.com/products/dvbp.php3

LP mode *should* appear no different than SP, except for the noted various playback incompatibilities... it's one of the advantages of DV.

Rob Lohman · March 27th, 2002, 04:53 AM

Weird... I use Adobe Premiere 6.01 with my Xl1S without
any problems at all! Capturing goes fine etc. I do use the
Microsoft DV codec at the moment. Going to try other codecs
in the time to come.

Is there a newer 6.02 version? If so I'll try that one too.

Good luck!

March 27th, 2002, 08:44 AM

I only have problems exporting the time line to an MPG. it doesn't look good, and had compression troubles. Adobe said the XL-1 wasn't compatable directly with Premier but that what THEY say. I love it and, except for this one glitch, has been great. I have sanother station with a Pinnacle DV-500 that does NOT like my Dell 220 workstation. Something about the dual CPU and that card in a Dell that doesn't play well with others.

Otherwise, itworks great in a beefed up Gateway 800 that I have.

So, I'm happy.

James Rulison · April 9th, 2002, 10:00 AM

I know this thread is most likely dead, but I had a similar problem with a DV200 capture card. I have done video with a JVC Cybercam and have gotten the same problem.

Best,
James

Adrian Douglas · April 9th, 2002, 10:32 AM

I've been using Premiere since 1999 and apart from being a little unstable(more a platform problem) I have never had any serious problems with it.

I think your problem could be in your capture hardware/codec and not Premiere. I always capture with it and have never had anything other than clean footage.

As for it not supporting the XL1, I think someone has some wires crossed there. Everytime I plug my camera in it says Canon XL1, device control works, all capture functions work and again I get good clean video.

With any PC, you really have to be careful about what hardware you use. Not everything is compatable and it can cause all kinds of problems from what you are experiencing to total machine failure.

The bottom line is talk to someone who builds NLE systems and make sure all your gear is compatable.

Lorinda Norton · April 29th, 2002, 11:38 AM

Hi Delorianhayze,

Can you tell me if you got your problem of the "jaggy artifacts" resolved? Our greenscreen situation is much like yours, with the worst of the pixelation occurring when the talent makes fairly rapid arm movements. Looks good on the monitor during the shoot but then...

James Rulison · April 29th, 2002, 12:46 PM

Actually I did get my problem resolved. First to make sure it's not a camera issue play the tape back off the camera onto a monitor. If everything is still ok then it could be your capture card.

I was using the Pinnacle DV200 Video Capture card which will actually work ok in Windows XP. The problem is I used the new DV200 drivers with Adobe Premiere 6.02 and 6.01. Both of them seem to cause this effect. I would not consider this to be a Adobe problem but a Pinnacle problem. The capture card access some components of Adobe and these components must have changed structors in the 2 patchs. At least that is my take on my problem yours could be different.

Best regards,
James Rulison

March 26th, 2002, 03:50 PM	#16
Adam Lawrence _redone_ Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 224	LP mode and codecs Chris.. Wow, I am surprised to hear that. When i shot LP mode and reviewed the footage it noticably had a difference in image quality. I even did a test after I made the supposed "mistake" of shooting in LP mode, and sure enough i found a loss in quality. I now am wondering why this is, I did capture though a canopus board with canopus DV codec rather than my usuall firewire capture, maybe that had something to do with it, maybe some settings or something. I am also wondering about the canopus booster package you talked about, I did enjoy working with canopus hardware in the past, plus I agree it is a great codec! where about to i optain a copy of this, Im not sure if I found it on the link you supplied. i would like to have the ability to use canopus codec. __________________ Adam Lawrence eatdrink Media Las Vegas NV www.eatdrinkmedia.com

March 26th, 2002, 05:56 PM	#17
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Adam... My bad, here's the correct link: http://www.justedit.com/products/dvbp.php3 LP mode should appear no different than SP, except for the noted various playback incompatibilities... it's one of the advantages of DV. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 27th, 2002, 04:53 AM	#18
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Weird... I use Adobe Premiere 6.01 with my Xl1S without any problems at all! Capturing goes fine etc. I do use the Microsoft DV codec at the moment. Going to try other codecs in the time to come. Is there a newer 6.02 version? If so I'll try that one too. Good luck! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 27th, 2002, 08:44 AM	#19
JayPoucher Posts: n/a	6.02 I only have problems exporting the time line to an MPG. it doesn't look good, and had compression troubles. Adobe said the XL-1 wasn't compatable directly with Premier but that what THEY say. I love it and, except for this one glitch, has been great. I have sanother station with a Pinnacle DV-500 that does NOT like my Dell 220 workstation. Something about the dual CPU and that card in a Dell that doesn't play well with others. Otherwise, itworks great in a beefed up Gateway 800 that I have. So, I'm happy.

April 9th, 2002, 10:32 AM	#21
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	I've been using Premiere since 1999 and apart from being a little unstable(more a platform problem) I have never had any serious problems with it. I think your problem could be in your capture hardware/codec and not Premiere. I always capture with it and have never had anything other than clean footage. As for it not supporting the XL1, I think someone has some wires crossed there. Everytime I plug my camera in it says Canon XL1, device control works, all capture functions work and again I get good clean video. With any PC, you really have to be careful about what hardware you use. Not everything is compatable and it can cause all kinds of problems from what you are experiencing to total machine failure. The bottom line is talk to someone who builds NLE systems and make sure all your gear is compatable. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

April 9th, 2002, 10:00 AM	#20
James Rulison Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 59	I know this thread is most likely dead, but I had a similar problem with a DV200 capture card. I have done video with a JVC Cybercam and have gotten the same problem. Best, James

April 29th, 2002, 11:38 AM	#22
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	fixed? Hi Delorianhayze, Can you tell me if you got your problem of the "jaggy artifacts" resolved? Our greenscreen situation is much like yours, with the worst of the pixelation occurring when the talent makes fairly rapid arm movements. Looks good on the monitor during the shoot but then... __________________ Lorinda

April 29th, 2002, 12:46 PM	#23
James Rulison Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 59	Actually I did get my problem resolved. First to make sure it's not a camera issue play the tape back off the camera onto a monitor. If everything is still ok then it could be your capture card. I was using the Pinnacle DV200 Video Capture card which will actually work ok in Windows XP. The problem is I used the new DV200 drivers with Adobe Premiere 6.02 and 6.01. Both of them seem to cause this effect. I would not consider this to be a Adobe problem but a Pinnacle problem. The capture card access some components of Adobe and these components must have changed structors in the 2 patchs. At least that is my take on my problem yours could be different. Best regards, James Rulison