Premiere + Quadro + Elemental H.264 & Mpeg2 Accelerator at DVinfo.net

Steve Kalle · October 24th, 2009, 01:25 AM

Earlier this summer, Elemental released an updated version of their Premiere CS4 plugin which now works with nvidia Quadro FX1800, 3800, 4800 and 5800. This plugin accelerates H.264 and MPEG2 decoding and encoding and is bundled with the Quadro's for about an extra $100.

So, has anyone used this new plugin and which card?

I am looking at either the FX1800($600) or FX3800($950) which will also be used in AE CS4 and Cinema 4D 11.5.

Thanks

David Moody · October 24th, 2009, 06:25 AM

The updated software works a lot better than the prior versions. The h.264 encoding is now much faster and is stable. Image quality is good. Mine is with the Quadro CX card.

Mike McCarthy · October 24th, 2009, 04:36 PM

If you expect to use the accelerator a lot, then I recommend the 3800 as it is far more powerful. There is a significant performance difference between the 1800 and the 3800, but the next step to the 4800 is marginal in most cases. The 3800 is the sweet spot in the current Quadro line, bang for buck. Just make sure you have good ventilation since it is a single slot card, but generates as much heat as the larger 4800. (With less surface area to allow it to cool)

Steve Kalle · October 26th, 2009, 07:54 PM

Hi Mike. I see that you also have a DreamColor. I am tossing my Matrox Mini because it slows my Premiere editing, so I am looking to use Premiere's output to either a 24" JVC DTV24L1U ($1600) or a DreamColor for monitoring. At the moment, everything is destined for the web but within a few months, each video will need to be CC for broadcast and web. I don't foresee a need for 10bit as I use an EX1 + Nanoflash but the color space presets on the DreamColor sound very helpful.

So, does Premiere output progressive and can the Quadro's output RGB so the DreamColor engine works?

One other quick question: would the FX3800 provide a better AE CS4 experience vs a $200 consumer card? (or C4D?)

THANKS

Mike McCarthy · October 28th, 2009, 01:17 PM

If you hook the Dreamcolor to your video card via DVI, it is RGB and progressive by default, so you can set it to REC709.
If you hook it to a new card via Display port, you will also get 10bit color support in the future once the software catches up to support it.

Quadro should provide some level of extra benefit in AE CS4 as well, and definitely in C4D.

Steve Kalle · October 28th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Thanks Mike!

One more quick question: I recently learned of the Eizo CG243W 24" LCD. It is very similar to the DreamColor in that it has several color presets(rec 709 & others) and displays 10bit(via Dp). Don't know if this matters, but the Eizo also has 16bit internal processing and 12bit LUT. The Eizo is $300 more than the HP, too. Do you know of this LCD and/or have any thoughts?

David Dwyer · October 30th, 2009, 07:59 AM

Do you know if you find a Nvida 8800 you can reflash it to a FX3700 Quadro?

I have and it works a treat

Giroud Francois · October 30th, 2009, 10:03 AM

you just need to go there and see what Geforce CPU has equivalent in a quadro card and reflash.
C:\Documents and Settings\GIROUDF.DUPONTNET\My Documents\Nvidia Quadro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.mht

David Dwyer · October 30th, 2009, 01:51 PM

InsanelyMac Forum > 8800 GT to Quadro FX 3700

Tech ARP - NVIDIA GeForce To Quadro Soft-Mod Guide Rev. 4.1

Steve Kalle · October 30th, 2009, 06:12 PM

Dave, using a FX 3700 is no good for using the Elemental accelerator because the pulg-in requires FX x800 series. In addition, the plug-in is $500 by itself or only $100 when bundled with a Quadro. Several months ago, I looked into soft-modding my 8800GT, but I didn't see any benefits for Premiere, AE or C4D.

Apparently, CS5 will have much better support and implementation of the GPU. I saw a video on fxguide showing 5 r3d clips plus 8 filters being played in real-time in Premiere using some form of Adobe's new implementation. Also, after reading about nvidia's new "Fermi" gpu design, I think it would be good to wait til CS5 specs are known and how well various cards perform.

David Dwyer · October 31st, 2009, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kalle

Dave, using a FX 3700 is no good for using the Elemental accelerator because the pulg-in requires FX x800 series. In addition, the plug-in is $500 by itself or only $100 when bundled with a Quadro. Several months ago, I looked into soft-modding my 8800GT, but I didn't see any benefits for Premiere, AE or C4D.

Apparently, CS5 will have much better support and implementation of the GPU. I saw a video on fxguide showing 5 r3d clips plus 8 filters being played in real-time in Premiere using some form of Adobe's new implementation. Also, after reading about nvidia's new "Fermi" gpu design, I think it would be good to wait til CS5 specs are known and how well various cards perform.

They have released a 2.2 version that supports the FX3700

Accelerator Product Specifications | ELEMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES

Steve Kalle · October 31st, 2009, 12:09 PM

David, I really wish you hadn't done that. Now, I am going to spend several hours trying to flash my 8800GT.

David Dwyer · October 31st, 2009, 01:24 PM

Steve its a 2 min job. All the flash does it change the ID of the card.

I used the flash files on that site. You also need NVflash and a bootable floppy disk. The FD was the hardest thing I had to do.

Who uses them these days!

Steve Kalle · November 1st, 2009, 12:23 AM

Looks like I'm buying a FD drive tomorrow or Monday. Just need to find a place that still sells them.

Thanks David!

David Dwyer · November 2nd, 2009, 03:04 AM

No problem please let me know how you get on.

October 24th, 2009, 01:25 AM	#1
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Premiere + Quadro + Elemental H.264 & Mpeg2 Accelerator Earlier this summer, Elemental released an updated version of their Premiere CS4 plugin which now works with nvidia Quadro FX1800, 3800, 4800 and 5800. This plugin accelerates H.264 and MPEG2 decoding and encoding and is bundled with the Quadro's for about an extra $100. So, has anyone used this new plugin and which card? I am looking at either the FX1800($600) or FX3800($950) which will also be used in AE CS4 and Cinema 4D 11.5. Thanks

October 24th, 2009, 04:36 PM	#3
Mike McCarthy Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 517	If you expect to use the accelerator a lot, then I recommend the 3800 as it is far more powerful. There is a significant performance difference between the 1800 and the 3800, but the next step to the 4800 is marginal in most cases. The 3800 is the sweet spot in the current Quadro line, bang for buck. Just make sure you have good ventilation since it is a single slot card, but generates as much heat as the larger 4800. (With less surface area to allow it to cool) __________________ For more information on these topics, check out my tech website at www.hd4pc.com

October 28th, 2009, 01:17 PM	#5
Mike McCarthy Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 517	If you hook the Dreamcolor to your video card via DVI, it is RGB and progressive by default, so you can set it to REC709. If you hook it to a new card via Display port, you will also get 10bit color support in the future once the software catches up to support it. Quadro should provide some level of extra benefit in AE CS4 as well, and definitely in C4D. __________________ For more information on these topics, check out my tech website at www.hd4pc.com

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October 24th, 2009, 06:25 AM	#2
David Moody Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	The updated software works a lot better than the prior versions. The h.264 encoding is now much faster and is stable. Image quality is good. Mine is with the Quadro CX card.

October 26th, 2009, 07:54 PM	#4
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Hi Mike. I see that you also have a DreamColor. I am tossing my Matrox Mini because it slows my Premiere editing, so I am looking to use Premiere's output to either a 24" JVC DTV24L1U ($1600) or a DreamColor for monitoring. At the moment, everything is destined for the web but within a few months, each video will need to be CC for broadcast and web. I don't foresee a need for 10bit as I use an EX1 + Nanoflash but the color space presets on the DreamColor sound very helpful. So, does Premiere output progressive and can the Quadro's output RGB so the DreamColor engine works? One other quick question: would the FX3800 provide a better AE CS4 experience vs a $200 consumer card? (or C4D?) THANKS

October 28th, 2009, 01:42 PM	#6
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Thanks Mike! One more quick question: I recently learned of the Eizo CG243W 24" LCD. It is very similar to the DreamColor in that it has several color presets(rec 709 & others) and displays 10bit(via Dp). Don't know if this matters, but the Eizo also has 16bit internal processing and 12bit LUT. The Eizo is $300 more than the HP, too. Do you know of this LCD and/or have any thoughts?

October 30th, 2009, 07:59 AM	#7
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Do you know if you find a Nvida 8800 you can reflash it to a FX3700 Quadro? I have and it works a treat

October 30th, 2009, 10:03 AM	#8
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	you just need to go there and see what Geforce CPU has equivalent in a quadro card and reflash. C:\Documents and Settings\GIROUDF.DUPONTNET\My Documents\Nvidia Quadro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.mht

October 30th, 2009, 01:51 PM	#9
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	InsanelyMac Forum > 8800 GT to Quadro FX 3700 Tech ARP - NVIDIA GeForce To Quadro Soft-Mod Guide Rev. 4.1

October 30th, 2009, 06:12 PM	#10
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Dave, using a FX 3700 is no good for using the Elemental accelerator because the pulg-in requires FX x800 series. In addition, the plug-in is $500 by itself or only $100 when bundled with a Quadro. Several months ago, I looked into soft-modding my 8800GT, but I didn't see any benefits for Premiere, AE or C4D. Apparently, CS5 will have much better support and implementation of the GPU. I saw a video on fxguide showing 5 r3d clips plus 8 filters being played in real-time in Premiere using some form of Adobe's new implementation. Also, after reading about nvidia's new "Fermi" gpu design, I think it would be good to wait til CS5 specs are known and how well various cards perform.

October 31st, 2009, 12:09 PM	#12
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	David, I really wish you hadn't done that. Now, I am going to spend several hours trying to flash my 8800GT.

October 31st, 2009, 01:24 PM	#13
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Steve its a 2 min job. All the flash does it change the ID of the card. I used the flash files on that site. You also need NVflash and a bootable floppy disk. The FD was the hardest thing I had to do. Who uses them these days!

November 1st, 2009, 12:23 AM	#14
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Looks like I'm buying a FD drive tomorrow or Monday. Just need to find a place that still sells them. Thanks David!

November 2nd, 2009, 03:04 AM	#15
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	No problem please let me know how you get on.