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Stephen L. Noe February 11th, 2006 10:17 AM

Hi Kevin,

For Liquid 7 all you need to do is select "Xrecieve from P2" and then you'll be linked to the content on the P2 card and ready to edit, no transfer required or transcode. Liquid reads MXF native. The caveate is that Liquid supports DVCPro25 and DVCPro50, not DVCProHD. So if you're working in SD DVCPro50, then Liquid is a great solution. If you're working in DVCProHD then P2 is not available in Liquid 7. Maybe Liquid 8? I don't know..

Mattew Love February 11th, 2006 02:58 PM

Liquid and P2 seem to get along very, very well. Unless you only want SD like Stephen said. If you like Liquid, head on over to http://www.avid.com/exchange/forums/47033/ShowPost.aspx and add your request for DVCproHD support. Hopefully with enough requests Avid will add the feature.

Kevin Shaw February 12th, 2006 12:20 AM

Thanks guys, appreciate the information. Anyone know anything about the status of P2 import in Premiere?

Barry Green February 12th, 2006 12:41 AM

Pretty sure there's no support yet, but you can use www.dvfilm.com/raylight to import/convert the files into .AVI's that Premiere Pro can edit.

Jeff Kilgroe February 12th, 2006 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe
Hi Kevin,

For Liquid 7 all you need to do is select "Xrecieve from P2" and then you'll be linked to the content on the P2 card and ready to edit, no transfer required or transcode. Liquid reads MXF native. The caveate is that Liquid supports DVCPro25 and DVCPro50, not DVCProHD. So if you're working in SD DVCPro50, then Liquid is a great solution. If you're working in DVCProHD then P2 is not available in Liquid 7. Maybe Liquid 8? I don't know..


I don't know if it's still this way or not, but last time I looked at Liquid, it had no support for 24p either.

Stephen L. Noe February 12th, 2006 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kilgroe
I don't know if it's still this way or not, but last time I looked at Liquid, it had no support for 24p either.

Yes there is 24p. Cutting for film, 24p (23.98) timeline is a preset. The part that's missing is the pulldown tools in order to get the 24p to DVD. We have the same issue with ProHD and 24p.

Liquid is primarily a broadcast editor so it's really designed for DVCPro50 @ 29.97 or 25fps. With 24fps they are still "working on it".

Trevor Trombley March 20th, 2006 10:36 PM

Record directly to laptop?
 
I have two friends who have an HVX200. I own an alienware lap top that has

Intel pentium 4 640 3.2ghz 800mhz fsb 2MB
2gb Duel channel memory
256MB Nvidia Gforce go6800
80 gig 7200 RPM ATA100 harddrive

Does this have enough performace to record DVCPRO HD directly to lap top? Or is that even capable. I was under the impresion you could. But now I'm not so sure.

This may be a noob question but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Trevor

Kathy Nielsen March 21st, 2006 05:27 AM

One thing to make sure of is that you have enough space on your hard drive for what you want to store. Having just spent the week doing storage calculations, I'm sensitive to the fact that with 80 Gigs you have enough room for less than 4 hours of 720p24 (the lowest data rate for HD). Check the manual for the table of data rates per format. --of course this is the easiest thing to address.

Barry Werger March 21st, 2006 05:31 AM

The problem is, there's currently no PC SOFTWARE fof DVCProHD capture...

Douglas Call March 21st, 2006 06:38 AM

Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Werger
The problem is, there's currently no PC SOFTWARE fof DVCProHD capture...

The answer is Matrox Axio LE and Adobe Premiere Pro:

Full-resolution multi-layer realtime editing of HD and SD video,
graphics, and effects
Realtime CPU-based effects such as color correction, speed
changes, and chroma/luma keying
Realtime and accelerated Matrox Flex effects such as 2D/3D DVE,
blur/glow/ soft focus, and shine
Uncompressed HD and SD editing
Native HDV and DVCPRO HD editing

http://www.matrox.com/video/products/pdf/AxioLE.pdf

Stephen van Vuuren March 21st, 2006 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Call
The answer is Matrox Axio LE and Adobe Premiere Pro:

True, but it won't run on a laptop. Edius Broadcast should be the answer.

Trevor Trombley March 21st, 2006 10:22 AM

re
 
I downloaded the demo for Edius pro. Which also has the Broadcast abilities such as aquisition of DVCPRO HD.

We were at a monthly film meeting. I hooked buddies HVX to the lap top using my firewire cord but I couldn't capture. Perhaps I had a setting wrong?

I'm more of a creative spirit when it comes to film opposed to a tech junky. And although new cameras and NLEs excite me I'm too much of a dumb ass to figure out how to get them to work unless I can have a lot of time with them.

It's not imperative that I figure out how to do this at this time. But one gentleman at the meeting was very adamant that the HVX cannot record to laptop. But I begged to differ. He also said that HVX records 4:4:2 and that it's true HD, but others on these forums have stated it's 4:2:2 and isn't true HD.

At this point I'm getting so confused I don't know what to believe.

Stephen van Vuuren March 21st, 2006 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Trombley
I downloaded the demo for Edius pro. Which also has the Broadcast abilities such as aquisition of DVCPRO HD.

We were at a monthly film meeting. I hooked buddies HVX to the lap top using my firewire cord but I couldn't capture. Perhaps I had a setting wrong?

I'm more of a creative spirit when it comes to film opposed to a tech junky. And although new cameras and NLEs excite me I'm too much of a dumb ass to figure out how to get them to work unless I can have a lot of time with them.

It's not imperative that I figure out how to do this at this time. But one gentleman at the meeting was very adamant that the HVX cannot record to laptop. But I begged to differ. He also said that HVX records 4:4:2 and that it's true HD, but others on these forums have stated it's 4:2:2 and isn't true HD.

At this point I'm getting so confused I don't know what to believe.

I hope the mods will forgive for info on other forums, but since there is not a dedicated Edius forum here, there is discussion of this issue on DVX User's new Edius broadcast forum and Canopus runs its own user forum. Unfortunately I have neither a HVX or Edius, so cannot verify.

Barry Green March 21st, 2006 01:29 PM

Edius Broadcast and Avid XPress Pro HD both support firewire capture from the HVX.

It'll be tough to do on a laptop though. The throughput requirements are pretty high. You may need something like an external G-Raid to pull it off. If you're doing 720/24p mode, it'll be much easier to capture because the data rate is lower. Edius lets you capture just the active frames (so only recording the actual 24 frames, not all 60 in the 60p stream).

Ashton Robinson March 23rd, 2006 01:41 PM

I was thinking it'd be possible to capture directly to a laptop with no problem when I first read about the small amount of content the P2 cards could capture. Their capacity is not worth anywhere near their price tag for me so this notion of using a laptop is good.

Betsy Moore March 23rd, 2006 03:26 PM

But no matter what, you can't use the camera to control when the computer is recording right? You have to actually use the computer keyboard to "capture" or record, right? I'm worried more for my desktop g5 for the interior shooting.

Leigh Wanstead March 23rd, 2006 04:35 PM

May I ask why?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen van Vuuren
True, but it won't run on a laptop.


Tim Schultz March 23rd, 2006 11:14 PM

can't speak for PC but HVX runs fine through a powerbook G4. a friend tested it this way and results were good. however, if i remember right, the best way is to use firewire 800 and an external drive of course.

i'll be testing this system next week with a 30' firewire cable. will post the results.

tim

Darryl Hill May 11th, 2006 07:14 AM

HVX200 & Premiere Pro 2.0
 
I have the HVX200 and have ordered the FS-100.
Will I be able to transfer the MXF files through FS-100 to an AVI file and be able to edit with Premiere Pro 2.0?

Thanks for your help.

Mark Burton May 11th, 2006 08:21 AM

I think the current best method is to use either 'Raylight' to create an AVI reference movie to the original MXF or 'DV Film Maker' to re-wrap the MXF essence to Cineform AVI.

The second option would be pricey - it would mean 145 for DV Film Maker and $499 for Aspect HD.

Check out: http://www.dvfilm.com/maker

There is also a note in this thread to say Cineform will release a new version of Aspect HD by the end of the month to support the HVX200, in which case you would not need DV Film maker:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=54747

Mark

David Taylor May 11th, 2006 10:01 PM

We (CineForm) have an almost-public beta just posted for the next release of Aspect HD that supports the HVX200. "Almost public" means that if you email David Newman you'll get the link - it's not yet on our public site, and won't be for a few days. See the thread in the CineForm forum: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=67198 for details.

David.

Vince Curtis May 11th, 2006 11:54 PM

David - Is there any advantage of Aspect over Raylight ? Especially since Aspect is $300 more than Raylight ?

I have Raylight now. I use PP2.0 and Vegas on a PC platform. . . .Thanks

David Taylor May 12th, 2006 01:03 AM

Vince, first of all, sorry about the "missive", but I'll mention a few things:

1) Aspect HD is a real-time editing engine that displaces the native editing engine in Premiere. As part of the engine, Aspect HD has its own RT effects, transitions, motion engine, etc. When the Aspect HD engine is in operation, the Premiere interface issues "commands" to the CineForm engine. It is how we achieve performance that is about 4X faster than native Premiere performance.

2) Underneath our RT engine is our CineForm Intermediate codec which is designed for a multi-generation post workflow. Its quality is superb, and it has been used in numerous feature films. Following is a link to a quality analysis we performed a while ago comparing to a native DVCPRO HD post workflow: http://www.cineform.com/technology/H...lysis10bit.htm. That analysis was done with our 10-bit Prospect HD codec, but you definitely get the idea. For support of the HVX200 we convert the P2 files to CineForm Intermediate for higher visual fidelity through post and improved editing performance.

3) The conversion utility in Aspect HD offers numerous options for DVCPRO HD source files, including 1280 x 720 for native 960 x 720 P2 source files, and 1440 x 1080 for native P2 1280 x 1080 source files. It is then trivial to include files from multiple sources (HDV, HVX, etc) on the same editing timeline. There are many other user options available. In this link we give you a flavor of that: http://www.cineform.com/products/hvx...ort/hvx200.htm.

In comparison, Raylight is a DVCPRO HD codec with an AVI wrapper for use in PC applications. It replaces the P2 MXF wrapper with an AVI wrapper for broad PC compatibility. This technique is completely valid, and if the result meets your performance, visual quality, and feature requirements then it'll be a good solution for you.

But I think you'll find that for multi-generation post-production the visual fidelity result of CineForm Intermediate is superior to any DVCPRO HD codec because CI was designed for post, not for tape acquisition. And the performance of our RT engine can't be equalled with any other solution, including hardware based solutions.

You can try Aspect HD on a 15-day trial with full functionality to better judge for yourself. For the next few days you'll need to request the Beta release directly from David Newman as I mentioned in a post above. By sometime next week we'll have a general release that you can navigate to directly from our website.

By the way, our Connect HD is $199, and will include DVCPRO HD support in the next week or so. Connect HD has the same CineForm Intermeditate codec and conversion utility, but without the RT engine included in Aspect HD. It is targeted for all PC apps outside Premiere Pro.

Vince Curtis May 12th, 2006 09:56 AM

Thanks for the explanation.

I appreciate the HVX200 support for this product and future products. I and others I know have purchased the HVX200 for possible film out and film festivals, and your 10-bit products and HDLink Integration is great.

As I do most of my editing on Vegas, Ill look forward to your continued support with Sony also. . ..

Tom Lowe May 27th, 2006 07:07 PM

I just ordered HVX + FS-100 + Premiere Pro + Aspect HD... will it work?
 
First question: Will this combination work? Cineform says its Aspect HD software will allow Premiere Pro 2.0 to work with the HVX's MXF files. But there is no specific mention of the FS-100 hard-drive. Can Premiere Pro 2.0 + Aspect HD import MXF files from an FS-100 drive onto a PC for editing?

Also, I placed this order on Friday, but I have since been reading some horror stories about the FS-100 Firestore device dropping out, not being recognized via firewire, and even catching on fire! I was planning to use the firestore as my primary/only p2 storage device on a 25-day feature shoot, but now I'm worried. If that firestore drive breaks down, my whole feature will come to a grinding halt.

Then again the P2 cards are very, very expensive, and not as ideal for a movie shoot as a 100-gig drive like the Firestore.

Also, what about variable frame-rates on the FS-100? Can I shoot ten minutes of 24p, then switch to 60p? It seems like the FS-100 has frame-rate limitations that P2 cards do not? Is that correct?

Thanks if anyone can offer advice.

Edit: I guess I could buy two FS-100s? Or maybe get the FS-100 and one p2 card to shoot variable framerate stuff?

Has anyone heard of the CitiDisk HD storage device?

http://www.shining.com/products/tota...on/citidisk_hd

It appears to store 120 gigs, is small, and only costs $1,100. I could buy two of those.

Robert Perez August 30th, 2006 08:44 PM

Newbie question re: HVX200 and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0
 
This is probably real noob question, but I've read such great things about this camera, and I've got such significant investment already into the Adobe Production Suite, I'm wondering, how well does Premiere Pro accommodate the HVX200's formats? Is the camera supported?

Thanks

Vince Curtis August 30th, 2006 11:04 PM

You have to use Raylight or Cineform to convert the files. . .

this shows how to work with Premiere for Raylight. . .

http://dvfilm.com/raylight/raylightTutorial4.htm

http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/

and here is another post re: Premiere + HVX200

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=68377

or just use the SEARCH for premiere and hvx200 on this forum or that OTHER one. . ...

Robert Perez August 31st, 2006 01:44 AM

Thanks for those links. I couldn't actually read the last one, it keeps taking me to a server not found page, but the first 2 links worked fine.

Dan Eschenfelder October 19th, 2006 02:04 PM

Adobe Premiere Pro Editing
 
Anything new on Adobe Premiere Pro supporting P2?

I don't want to spend alot of extra money on CineForm Hardware just to convert the files.

Anyone know if they will be coming out with a newer version with support for P2 anytime soon?

I'm a PC guy and an Adobe Software user for years... I'd like to stay with it.

I'm getting ready to purchase Adobe Production Studio Premium, but I'm sceptical to buy the current version, if the next version will support it. I am purchasing the "Student" version, so NO UPGRADES or PLUG-INS.

Thanks,
Dan

Barry Green October 19th, 2006 02:45 PM

You don't need any hardware, and CineForm doesn't include hardware anyway.

Your Premiere Pro options are:
1) Matrox Axio, which is a hardware board set
2) RayLight, a $195 program that converts the HVX files to .AVI
3) Serious Magic DVCPRO-HD Decoder, a program that works similarily to RayLight
4) CineForm, a $500 program that works similarly but converts the files into CineForm HD codec and offers more features

Premiere Pro doesn't have native support by itself. If you want to use an HVX, and you want to use Premiere Pro, then you've GOT to get something else in-between or the two won't work together.

Dan Eschenfelder October 20th, 2006 11:54 AM

Sorry, I meant SOFTWARE. I didn't want to have to purchase a different card, or any other software just to convert the files. Their's no reason why Premiere Pro shouldn't support the P2 camera Natively. (IMO) I was worried that I was going to have to shell out another $500 bucks for CineForm.

Anyway... I'm glad you told me about Serious Magic!!!

I googled Serious Magic and Adobe Premiere Pro and got a news release issued in September.

http://www.seriousmagic.com/news/DVCProHDDecoder.cfm

You may notice as well at the top left it says: "An Adobe Company"

I love it!!! It says in the presser that it is available for download for $195 bucks. I wonder if that excludes "Student Verisons" of Premiere?

Also, since they are now supported/owned by Adobe... does that answer my earlier question... "Anyone know if they will be coming out with a newer version with support for P2 anytime soon?" Will they release a new version with Serious Magic already installed?

Thanks for you help Barry. Lots of help.

Regards,
Dan

Gene Crucean October 20th, 2006 01:06 PM

I'm sure the next version of PP that they release will have full support. Just sit tight for now. It's either that or spend a little cash.

Barry Green October 20th, 2006 01:25 PM

Yeah, what will happen is anybody's guess. They did say that some serious magic technologies would be incorporated in future adobe products. Does that mean they'll bundle the DVCPRO-HD Decoder in Premiere Pro? Maybe, who knows?

The thing is: if you want to work with Premiere Pro TODAY, you've got to spend some cash to get one of the appropriate tools, because Premiere Pro (for whatever reason) doesn't support it right now, as-is, in its stock configuration.

You might write to Serious Magic and ask them what their policy would be for Premiere Pro users who want to buy the DVCPRO-HD decoder; they might have some suggestions already?

Steve Collins December 5th, 2006 11:43 PM

Native MXF Editing in Premiere
 
Anyone try this yet?

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=18023

David Saraceno January 4th, 2007 11:20 AM

Premiere Encore & Soundbooth Coming to the Mac
 
Adobe just announced this, and the bundle only pertains to Intel Macs.

Wondering if this means that it will support DVCProHD and/or MXF out of the box or it needs the codec installed by FCP.

Interesting stuff.

Dick Campbell January 4th, 2007 12:01 PM

Do you have a link? Is it for the bootcamp side or the Mac side?

Ben Bixby January 4th, 2007 12:54 PM

They are bringing it back for Mac OSX Intel Machines only.

Wade Spencer January 4th, 2007 01:18 PM

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01...php?lsrc=mcrss

Robert Lane January 4th, 2007 02:09 PM

You can download a Beta copy of Soundbooth for Intel-Macs on the Adobe labs site: http://labs.adobe.com. There is no Beta available for the Mac-Premeire but who knows, maybe they'll release one someday.

I've tried Soundbooth Beta and found it overly simplified; no sound shaping controls available (curves, time etc) but apparently that's not within the mission profile for Soundbooths' intended market.

Andzei Matsukevits February 10th, 2007 07:15 AM

edit MXF natively in Premiere and Vegas!
 
Raylight came up with a great update, no more conversion between MXF and AVI is needed.
"New with release 2.02: plug-ins for both Adobe PremiereTM and Sony VegasTM to allow you to drag MXF files directly into the project!"

www.dvfilm.com


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