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March 7th, 2005, 02:22 PM | #1 |
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Small pop filter
Wondering if anyone could point me to a pop
filter in the 1" to 2" range? This is for use with a shotgun mic being used for voice over. I figure a foam windscreen would be effective, but I think a real pop filter would be more transparent. |
March 7th, 2005, 02:43 PM | #2 |
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I've never seen one that small, and would be surprised if there was such an animal. You'd have no problem using a large/normal 5" or 6" sized one at all.
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March 7th, 2005, 04:41 PM | #3 |
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I see they have the single screen models and the
double screen type. Are the ones with two screens more effective? And what distance should the filter be from the mic? Is it fine to put the screen right up close to the mic? |
March 7th, 2005, 05:27 PM | #4 |
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Hi Dave,
With regular studio condensers, the filter should be a couple of inches from the headgrille. With a shotgun, the capsule for all but one I've seen is about 3/4 down the pipe. Closer should be OK. You may not need one at all. I use a foam pull on if I use one at all. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Dave, is there some technical reason you're using a shotgun for your VO? I ask because I have only a shotgun & may have to do the same thing.
Is there a downside to this setup you'd warn me about? Any tips from anybody on optimizing such a setup? |
March 7th, 2005, 10:07 PM | #6 |
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John,
I plan on getting a side-address mic soon, but a shotgun from a foot away is not that bad -- you can get a nice proximity effect. (I had heard somewhere that some pro voice-over guy kind of kept it a secret but what he used was a shotgun mic for his work and that's what gave me the idea to try it out.) One problem is that within a foot or so from the mic, some speakers will breath-pop it. Just today I was listening to a recording I made with a shotgun and on P's and T's the woman speaking popped the mic. There is some info around the net about making a homemade pop filter. One way was to stretch woman's nylons/stockings over a coat hanger or an "embroidery hoop". Another was to use one of those metal splatter covers that they put over sauces when cooking. Some guy just taped the cover to a mic stand and placed it between the speaker and the mic. I'm considering cutting out a small piece of black nylons and covering the end of the shotgun with a layer or two of this and using gaffers tape to tape it on there and see how that might go. (Ty said that a close up pop filter might work with a shotgun so perhaps this stocking idea is worth trying.) |
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Jeeze, yah put the shotgun 45 degrees (to either side of the mouth) and get it in about 3 inches and point it at the mouth. Do it all the time, unless I'm using someting else.
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Harlan Hogan has used a shotgun for years to do his V/O's for places like Culligan, McDonalds, Sears, KMart, The Bon, and other big name houses. In other words, all he does for a living is V/O. He's got a great new book out with VASST instructor Jeffrey P Fisher that goes deeply in to setting up a shotgun for V/O.
On the rare occasion I do V/O, I also use a shotgun, pretty much as Ty described it.
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pop filter
I'm playing a bit with adding v/o during editing. All I have at this point in time is a cheap desktop mic hooked directly into the sound card. I was having a lot of trouble with pops so I hung a piece of cheesecloth about 3" in front of the mic. Worked well.
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<<<-- Originally posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle : Harlan Hogan has used a shotgun for years to do his V/O's for places like Culligan, McDonalds, Sears, KMart, The Bon
Do you happen to know what mic he uses? |
March 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM | #11 |
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Well, I tried some black nylons today. Cut out a section
and put it over the end of the shotgun and taped it down. Even doubled it up. It didn't help at all. Now, I have found that if I move them an inch away from the end of the mic, they completely tale care of the plosives. But if they are right touching up against the mic: no luck. I'll be putting up one black nylon, never used, in the For Sale section. Has nice lace around the top, if anyone's interested. Belated Valentines gift? |
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Dave - Taping the gauze rigidly over the mic grill won't allow it to move, so it won't be able to absorb the peaks of energy. It needs an inch or two of free space between mic and screen. Make a frame (wire coat-hanger or whatever), stretch the gauze over it (not too tight) and attach the frame either to the same stand as the mic, perhaps on a bracket, or on a stand of its own, and adjust the distance to taste.
Ty's point about placing the mic at an angle to the speaker is also critical. I've seen other comments elsewhere that it should be placed slightly to one side and slightly below the mouth. So long as your speaker is projecting the words straight front and centre (not speaking out of the corner of the mouth) the worst of the plosive air stream will be aimed away from the mic. Try putting your hand a few inches from your mouth and say "ppfff": you'll feel the draught right in front of your mouth, but not 3" to either side. Again, adjust the distance between mic and speaker to taste for slightly different effects. BTW what make/model of mic are you using? HTH
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Mark, I was testing with the Senn ME64 just
because it is an easier setup, not needing phantom power and having good sensitivity. About: going a bit off center, when I put the nylons an inch in front of the mic, I wasn't getting any plosives even dead on center! I'm thinking about a new pop filter patent right now. Maybe I'll send it to Ty for review. : - ) |
March 28th, 2005, 07:28 AM | #14 |
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Could anyone give me some quick advice
comparing a pop filter vs. a foam windscreen for dealing with plosives. Will the windscreen be just as effective? |
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A pop filter should be a better choice then a windscreen. I find they are highly effective, as properly placed you will have a hard time getting a plosive through it.
Of course, since you have both it shouldn't be hard to figure out yourself which is better. Depending on the windscreen you have, it may be possible to get a plosive through it. There might be a slight difference in the upper frequencies and in microphone sensitivity between a pop filter and a windscreen. Quote:
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