Simple recording session

Paul R Johnson · January 24th, 2021, 04:43 AM

Maybe their standard required is lower? I do know from doing the zoom lockdown videos for choirs is that simple stuff can be the hardest. They're not trained, so mess up, or mess you up.

stick music in their ears, record what comes out their mouth and sync it up. The advice to record piano and lead voice separately is really sensible as you end up with a load of tracks that are clean. You then spend the time you want to get them nice enough. Spill is the worst to deal with. sort that and your battle is half over. If you do find good ones, absolutely ask them for a second.

Greg Miller · January 24th, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco

There's no conductor.

It's hard for me to imagine that. How do they start together? How do they close each phrase together? Does the accompanist serve as the leader? Do the singers watch for a nod of the head? Who signals them if someone starts to go off pitch? How do they keep the performance together? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just very curious. I've sung in a chorus, I had a father who was a choir director, and I've recorded several choirs and choral groups. I'm just trying to envision and understand how this group works differently.

Pete Cofrancesco · January 24th, 2021, 12:35 PM

I did a session with them back in the summer and my role was to film so I wasn't paying close attention to what was going on. The cantor must be in the role of conductor when she sings with the pianist they have some sort of visual communication while playing. Then after choir members listen and sing based on recording. The cantor is present so if she says something if it's off. Like I said I don't have much knowledge with recording musicians and singers.

Greg Miller · January 24th, 2021, 01:20 PM

Pete, thank you. That makes sense to me, more than the "no leader" picture I was trying to imagine.

I guess my suggestion would be to talk with the cantor, ask her about the topic of "conducting," and find out what sort of cues she uses to lead the group. Have her "direct" or lead, as if the entire group were there together. Then get her on video so that the other singers can see all her visual cues when they are recording their tracks. Assuming that is acceptable to the cantor, of course.

I know I tried accompanying (on piano) my parents (violin and cello) and I had to see them in order to get started on time and at tempo. If I waited to hear their first note, then I would come in half a beat late, and it was hell trying to get caught up and in sync with them. (Then again, I'm not at all a good musician.) For me, at least, the visual cues made all the difference in the world.

January 24th, 2021, 04:43 AM	#16
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,016	Re: Simple recording session Maybe their standard required is lower? I do know from doing the zoom lockdown videos for choirs is that simple stuff can be the hardest. They're not trained, so mess up, or mess you up. stick music in their ears, record what comes out their mouth and sync it up. The advice to record piano and lead voice separately is really sensible as you end up with a load of tracks that are clean. You then spend the time you want to get them nice enough. Spill is the worst to deal with. sort that and your battle is half over. If you do find good ones, absolutely ask them for a second.

January 24th, 2021, 12:35 PM	#18
Pete Cofrancesco Inner Circle Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,997	Re: Simple recording session I did a session with them back in the summer and my role was to film so I wasn't paying close attention to what was going on. The cantor must be in the role of conductor when she sings with the pianist they have some sort of visual communication while playing. Then after choir members listen and sing based on recording. The cantor is present so if she says something if it's off. Like I said I don't have much knowledge with recording musicians and singers.

January 24th, 2021, 01:20 PM	#19
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,786	Re: Simple recording session Pete, thank you. That makes sense to me, more than the "no leader" picture I was trying to imagine. I guess my suggestion would be to talk with the cantor, ask her about the topic of "conducting," and find out what sort of cues she uses to lead the group. Have her "direct" or lead, as if the entire group were there together. Then get her on video so that the other singers can see all her visual cues when they are recording their tracks. Assuming that is acceptable to the cantor, of course. I know I tried accompanying (on piano) my parents (violin and cello) and I had to see them in order to get started on time and at tempo. If I waited to hear their first note, then I would come in half a beat late, and it was hell trying to get caught up and in sync with them. (Then again, I'm not at all a good musician.) For me, at least, the visual cues made all the difference in the world.