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April 10th, 2006, 09:16 PM | #1 |
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Sennheiser K6 vs K6P
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Is there any advantage to getting the Sennheiser K6 (battery, phantom) versus the K6P (phantom only?) B&H has the K6 for about 70$ cheaper? Is the K6P better if you are "only" going to use phantom power? The K6 has the advantage of using it with "line in" only camcorders? right? thanks! |
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When I asked a sales rep at BH Foto, he gave me an answer something like this: the K6P will last longer than the K6, but the K6 will last many, many years to come, so it's nothing you really have to worry about. I really didn't understand why it would last longer, but that's the answer I got.
There is also the reduced sensitivity versions for the power modules as many people say the K6/P are too hot/sensitive. I don't quite get what that means either - what makes it too hot? What does being too hot/sensitive even mean? I would think that having a more sensitive mic would be able to get better audio, but what do I know. I asked the sales rep about this also and he was perplexed because he said the power module shouldn't have anything to do with it, it's just providing power. He said its the mic capsule itself that determines the input and quality of audio, but...then why are there reduced sensitivity versions of the K6/P? I couldn't really see a reason not to get the K6 for its extra battery possibility, and with its cheaper price, that's what I got. |
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No advantage at all, go with the K6. To "hot" or "sensitive" in this case is referring to the output voltages from the mic for a particular level of sound pressure. This mic puts out higher (hot) voltages in compairison to many others of similar disign and applicaiton. The result is that the mic can provide a voltage level to your cameras pre-amp that exceeds it's capacity to process without distortion.
Senn has what they call the "Red Dot" mod that can be done to K6's. Named because those that have it are marked with a red dot of paint inside the XLR connector. It modifies the internal circuitry to lower the voltage output and there for make it compatible with cams that would otherwise be recording a distorted sound. Hope that helps. Last edited by Rob Wilson; April 11th, 2006 at 09:58 AM. |
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So if I plan on ONLY using the senn mic with phantom power, the K6P is the one to get. But if I plan on using the mic with "line in" camcorders, then get the K6...
I'm probably going to use this mic with the HVX200... unless there are are surprises at NAB. |
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How can I check if the my Sennheiser ME64 mic (maybe other K6 series mics) with K6 is too hot on my camera, a Sony HVR-A1U? Or any camera for that matter?
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Thanks, Laurence. But still, how do I know/check? Is it simply by ear, or something else? And if by ear, what am I supposed to be listening for (or not supposed to hear) to know if the levels are good, too sensitive, or not sensitive enough?
AGC? What is that? Is that the audio module that came with the A1? Also, I know you use a Rode SM5 shockmount - is that shockmount directly inserted into the Sony shockmount (on the audio module) and you put the mic in the SM5? Does this produce a double shock mount, since you are putting a shockmount within a shockmount? How would the Rode SM3 used on the shoe on top of the audio module compare to the Sony shockmount and compared to the Sony shockmount with attached Rode SM5? |
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Unless the gain controls are at the amplifier input, there is still the danger of clipping! If the gain controls are between amplifier and DAC (eg Canon GL2), they show that the levels being fed to the DAC are OK. This can be so, with the inputs grossly overloaded, if you have to turn the gain controls well down to get the mter readings you want.
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Somebody is interested in buying the K6 and believes that it provides phantom power, whereas I tell that it can feed the mics with it's battery, but if one wants phantom power - which should improove the mics performance - an extra phantom power supply is required. Am I right? |
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You are correct also in that mics that have both battery and phantom power as options usually have slightly better performance when running on phantom. More importantly, with phantom you don't have to worry about the sound degrading mid-shoot from a weak or dying battery without you noticing. When phantom is available, remove the battery unless the manufacturer specfically says otherwise in the the manual.
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thank's Steve for your clarification, - and how diplomatic a response as well! - though it is exactly as I thought. Since the user does not own any phantom supply I was doubting that the rather expensive Sennheiser set up made sense and was recommending a Videomic, also for it's ease of use. But I believe that he is set to get the Sennheisers, which sure must be a very good choice. I wonder, is the Rode Videomic simply way below the Sennheiser? Pricewise - and build wise it certainly is, and there is the advantage of choices of the various caps. If one only used one set though, is the sound produced in another leage as the one from the Videomic? He still is undecided which capsules will be better for him. I would not know since he did not specify his exact use, but I remember having read about reservation about the ME66 indoors. and some prefer the ME64. There are also the ME62, ME65 and ME67, though I just found out that the lineup in germany http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser...microphones_k6 and the US seem to differ http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite...?transid=cat34
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ME 62 - Omni ME 64 - Cardioid ME 65 - Super Cardioid for vocals, speech, booming dialog in CU and MCU indoors and out where the mic can be between 6 inches and 2 feet or less (roughly) of the subject, less colouration of off-axis sounds than with shotguns. ME 66 - Short Shotgun - dialog where the mic can be positioned around 2 to 4 feet from the subject - reflective environments can cause signifigant colouration. ME 67 - Long Shotgun - dialog in camera wide shots where the mic needs to be kept from 4 to 10 feet from the subject in order to be out of frame. Note that running a shotgun too close to the source is just as bad as having it too far away. There's a broad sweet spot in the reach of each mic and you get distortion and colouration on either side of it. Not sure how the K6 would stack up side by side with the Rode, I think Guy Cochran has done some comparison tests and perhaps he can weight in on that score - my feeling is the Rode is a high-quality prosumer level mic while the Senn K6 system is a good entry level professional mic (and there are other good modular systems in a similar price range from AKG and AudioTechnica as well). A lot of location and ENG mixers would say they use a boomed hypercardioid or supercardioid for 90% of their dialog recording.
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thank you very much again for your extensive reply.
I found the very interesting discussion with inputs of the like of TyFord and Douglas Spotted Eagle and Guy Cochran, comparing the Videomic to the ME66 here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...mic+sennheiser A bit off topic, but I just can't resist: I had encouraged the interested person to search this forum to find his answers because of it's very knowledgeable, friendly and helpful members. Ever since the first thread I opened here called 'help request for first video camera' where my lenghty questions where met with equally lenghty answers and which guided me to buy the GS400 the help I have received here is simply amazing. Recently I had tried some german forums and I am sorry to say that it has been a frustrating experience because of patronizing and even insulting members. What a huge relieve to be here again! |
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