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Wayne Kinney September 22nd, 2005 10:36 AM

More footage up!!!
 
Michael,
Not at all!!!, Without comments like yours, development would be slow, so thanks!!!

I have already decided on a smaller aluminium box for the commercial version.

Mandy, the disk is 90mm, the box is 95mm internal width width, not much room for shrinkage, but there is on the length dimension.

Anyway, here is some more footage up.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.k...stfootage3.mov (Bill Porter, you know what im going to ask;) hehe.

Anymore sugestions will be helpful,
Thanks, Wayne.

Gary Stone September 22nd, 2005 02:07 PM

dude...sign me up...is the aluminum box going to be bare aluminum or black? or muave? mark one of these as "sold" when it becomes available...

: )

gary

Ben Winter September 22nd, 2005 03:57 PM

Hehe. Wayne, is that a project box from radioshack you're using as the enclosure? Ahh, nothing like overpriced pieces of plastic.

You can definately find good-quality metal enclosures used for guitar stomp boxes and the like that are easy to drill through yet extremely well made. I'd suggest something like that.

What does it weigh btw?

Wayne Kinney September 22nd, 2005 04:21 PM

HI,
Ben, Thanks for the sugestion. I have sourced my project box, and its a 120x95x60 box, aluminium.

Smaller then the original ABS box, stronger and better looks. The 15mm rods support will also look sexy,

Thanks for everyones input, its your input that will lead to the best product.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Kurt August September 22nd, 2005 04:43 PM

Test footage
 
Wayne, perhaps a silly suggestion, but you should get out more. Shoot some streets, trees, whatever. I understand filming the same subject shows the evolution, but then you really should be a bit more scientific. Otherwise, try to let it shine in as much different situations possible.

As for a business strategy, try to differentiate. What's your filosophy? Where does it differ from others? Will that be sufficient for the future? Who are your clients? Or, who do you want them to be? Just the basic stuff.

Wayne Kinney September 22nd, 2005 06:44 PM

Hi Kurt, thanks for your input.
Some outdoor shots to follow, as also requested by Michael.

Whats my 'philosophy' is to introduce an adapter focused on image quality at a price that is not ridiculous.

Where does it Differ other adapters? I believe that my adapter offers image quality, in terms of contrast and colour, better then other adapters on the market, due to my quality ground glass element.

Will that be sufficient for the future? Well the future is HD, and im in the process now of getting my adapter tested with a dvx100. Tests to follow.

Who are my clients, or who do i want them to be? Anyone that wants a 35mm adapter that gets the best image quality, without the ridiculous price tag.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Bill Porter September 22nd, 2005 09:55 PM

http://tinyurl.com/dgpp7


:)

Lloyd Choi September 23rd, 2005 12:51 AM

Hey Wayne!
images look stellar in my opinion...

Personally, I don't care what the adapter actually looks like, as long as it produces some quality images

I'm curious, will you be shipping to North America? Canada?

Thanks, keep up the good work

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lloyd Choi
Hey Wayne!
images look stellar in my opinion...

Personally, I don't care what the adapter actually looks like, as long as it produces some quality images

I'm curious, will you be shipping to North America? Canada?

Thanks, keep up the good work


Thanks Lloyd. Im still not happy with the images, more adjusting and room for improvement, but I NEED perfection.

Yes, I will be able to ship worldwide.

Bill Porter, thanks for uploading, i can now get more test footage up:D

Thanks,
Wayne.

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 09:09 AM

Hi Guys,
Ok, i have bought a nice aluminium box which is smaller then the black ABS box. Question is, would you guys perfer it in its original shiny alu finish, or would you perfer it matte black? The Alu finsh is quite nice and goes with the chrome finish of the 15mm rods, but i want you guys to decide, so which is it guys?:D

Thanks,
Wayne.

Michael Maier September 23rd, 2005 09:15 AM

Black is the offical "professional" color. Nevermind things are made black not to reflect light on the set etc. Some people don't even know the reasons, all they know is that if it's black, it's "professional" ;)
Just a tip.

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 09:16 AM

Thanks Michael!

Any other input?

Thanks Wayne.

Michael Maier September 23rd, 2005 09:22 AM

I think the aluminium is the best way to go. It makes for a more solid construction.
Any more inputs? Well, since you asked, I think you should really get some test footage made with better cameras, specially HD. That will seal and sell the performance of your adapter.

Do you have a website up yet?

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 09:25 AM

Thanks Michael.

You correct about the testing with HD. Im in the process of getting it tested with a DVX100a and z1.

So your saying the aluminium box with a matte black finish, right?

Again, thanks for your input, Michael.

Wayne.

Michael Maier September 23rd, 2005 09:29 AM

Yeah, go for the black.
Actually, since it will probably be built to order, you can be cool and give the buyer the option. Maybe some people with a VX2100 would like the silver aluminium look to match the body of the camera.
One thing you also should get going as soon as possible is a website, if you don't have one yet.

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 09:35 AM

Michael,
Nice idea about the option of finish. Maybe even the option for luminance Pink with flowers? Hehe, im just kidding;) No really its a nice idea, the alu finsh does in fact look nice, but people may also want black, great sugestion.

The website is in the works, its been planned out as far as sections go, but still in the works.

Thanks again Michael.

Wayne.

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 09:59 AM

Here is a pic of the alu box

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/alubox.jpg

Thanks Wayne.

Michael Maier September 23rd, 2005 10:06 AM

Looks pretty good. Much slimmer and streamlined.

Bill Porter September 23rd, 2005 11:17 AM

The reason aluminum camera parts are black is that they are black-anodized. They're anodized for protection against corrosion, among other things. That nice bare aluminum box won't look that way forever, even if you set it on a shelf for a few years.

Anodization is a very inexpensive, evenly applied, and strong protection. It is typically applied before machine work. If you request a "hard anodize" instead of a "decorate anodize" it will also resist scratches very nicely. Though in my experience with many metal finishing shops, you have to tell them you really do mean a true hard anodized, and that they should just leave it in the tank and "cook" the s**t out of it.

And FWIW i like this box better than a round one.

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 11:32 AM

Thanks for the advise on anodizing, Bill, research time (again):D

Quote:

And FWIW i like this box better than a round one.
What round one? You mean like Craig suggested?

Thanks,
Wayne.

Lloyd Choi September 23rd, 2005 01:20 PM

I like the new box

but definately anodize it black... How much would that bump the price up?

Leo Mandy September 23rd, 2005 04:14 PM

Are you upgrading the PCX lens or sticking with the old one?

Wayne Kinney September 23rd, 2005 04:41 PM

Im waiting for new PCX lenses to arrive for commercial version, they are tried and tested ones.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Lloyd Choi September 23rd, 2005 08:20 PM

how are you going to manufacture these?

factory? build them yourself for each order?

Wayne Kinney September 24th, 2005 01:24 AM

Lloyd,
They will be self made to order.

Thanks,
Wayne

Ben De Rydt September 24th, 2005 09:43 AM

Bear in mind you won't be able to test your adapter in its current form with a Z1 because of the Z1's protruding microphone.

Can you please shoot a resolution chart? You can find them at http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/respat/

Wayne Kinney September 24th, 2005 09:56 AM

Ben,
Yes someone mentioned this to me, so the lens will now sit at the top of the box rather then the bottom.

A res chart, some hard tests, I like it. Ill shoots it will and without the adapter on my cam for comparision.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Lloyd Choi September 25th, 2005 09:08 PM

let's see some new tests! :D

Wayne Kinney September 26th, 2005 04:52 AM

Lloyd,
Following shortly (hopefully the end of the week) will be the shots of that res card and some outside shots as requested. I have not posted in the last few days as i've been hard at work improving the SG35 and rails. I will also have a shot of the unit with the rails.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Craig Bellaire September 26th, 2005 11:40 AM

Another look
 
Just a thought about how to position the box and the camera.
Anyway check out this link. It's using a medium format lens but the idea is interesting...

http://tedramasola.9k.com/photo.html

Michael Maier September 26th, 2005 02:05 PM

It seems an one of a kind. Or is it for sale as well?
Interesting anyway.

Craig Bellaire September 26th, 2005 02:11 PM

One of a Kind, I think
 
But I found it on the DVX web site w while back. If you want to make one I have a medium format Bronica lens for sale. I just liked the way the box was mounted in front of the base plate.

Wayne Kinney September 26th, 2005 02:22 PM

Looks nice, but the support probably aint adjustable, just set for the dvx100.

Wayne.

Wayne Kinney September 27th, 2005 10:51 AM

Just thought I would post a pic of the high quality ground glass element which gives me the nice contrast and rich colour from the adapter, something most adapters fail to deliver.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/GG%20disk.jpg

Res chart test and outside shots to follow.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Wayne Kinney September 29th, 2005 04:53 AM

Hello guys,
I stated in the original post that the SG35 would ship without a macro/achromat, and that the buyer would purchase his/her own to suit there own camcorder and preference.

Now im asking you guys if your would perfer to see a unit without achromat for £150, or a unit complete with achromat for around £170 -£180? I would use a proper achromat for highest quality.

Please let me know what you would perfer.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Leo Mandy September 29th, 2005 05:38 AM

I would probably prefer with, but the choice is good to have - some people already have a good achromat, so by giving people the choice, you at least keep alot more people happy.

Wayne Kinney September 29th, 2005 05:43 AM

Mandy,
Thanks for your suggestion, thats very true. As long as people can screw the unit onto there own macro/achromat, then I guess thats fine.

So offer a version with and without achromat at different prices? What does everyone else think?

Thanks,
Wayne.

Michael Maier September 29th, 2005 05:58 AM

If you can get a high quality macro for 20 bucks more, I would say go for it. It would be much more convenient, since you can use the adapter out of the box. But, keep in mind that bundling a cheap macro with your package, even if trying to keep prices down, will only give your adapter bad press. If that's the case, it would be better to sell it without a macro at all. Just my opinion.

Ben Winter September 29th, 2005 06:33 AM

Sell it with either a very nice macro or no macro at all, is my opinion. If people want a cheaper adapter let them buy yours without the macro so they can try and find their own to fit their budget.

Wayne Kinney September 29th, 2005 06:34 AM

Michael and Ben, thanks for your replies.

I would choose nothing but a high quality achromat lens. From the begining the SG35 has been designed around image quality, I do not plan on compromising now. An 'out of the box' unit is more attractive, as you point out.

I will most likely fit an achromat lens with the unit, and also sell a version without.

Thanks,
Wayne.


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