I'd just like to say that putting HDV into the body of the XL2 (bogus or not) would be a nice compliment to the XL2. Giving anybody with both to share suitable equipment. I understand that Lenses might not be suited (which is a shame, but realistic) but the advantages for other accessoriries would be great.

At this moment I am hesitant to spend much on gear for my XL2 because of the looming change to HDV, however it would be a great to be able to confidentially buy gear for the XL2 that possbily will be able to transfer to a HDV XL3.

On the other hand, I am a bit disapointed because there are a few simple design features of the XL2 that could be improved. (eg, I wish the zoom on the cary handle was larger to enable smoother operation). Idealy I would like a HDV canon that retains the style and set up of the XL2, but with some areas more refined, not just copied.

Overall I am a bit disapointed with what has been yet suggested about the new HDV. I am kinda hoping that it is bogus, or at least just and indication of Canon's intended direction. My initial delight that HDV was to be as the XL2 was soon dropped when closer examination of the pics showed not even any attempt to make improvements of some of the features.

A bit late, unfortunately, but here are some remarks from me:

- Yes, it really was being displayed at IBC (you trust your wrangler, right?)

- Yes, it was a mockup with nothing inside

- Yes, they where not saying anything about it

- Yes, there where extra buttons on the camera. Two by the recording button on the right and two as mentioned earlier.

- There where extra input/outputs on the right side of the XLR audio connector box. Probably more audio input/outputs or perhaps component out?

The only stand Canon has on IBC is Canon Broadcast. But due to the often
requests about the XL range of cameras they decided to have them on display
in the booth as well. As indicated earlier there where two working XL2's (one
with a mattebox system in front of it) and this Canon HDV mockup.

You know, painting a camera full black doesn't make it professional.
Well Michael, here's someone who would disagree.

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maybe its a 2/3 CCD?

otherwise the pricepoint is crazy!

The only stand Canon has on IBC is Canon Broadcast. But due to the oftenrequests about the XL range of cameras they decided to have them on displayin the booth as well. As indicated earlier there where two working XL2's (onewith a mattebox system in front of it).

That's pretty much the same setup they had at NAB. Minus, of course, the HDV mockup. And yes, I do trust a wrangler(well, most of the time).:-)

=gb=

It looks offical...no 24p on Canon's new HDV. How weird is that? Their previous model has 24p! Granted it's SD, but it's damn nice image for a lot less money.

If I were going to buy a Canon...I'd actually think about getting their XL2 now. It'll be cheaper and it does 24p for film outs...sounds like a bargain camera to me. This newer Canon HDV is up against still compeditors that are cheaper!

Christopher, are you privy to a verified source that nobody else has reported as yet? I'm certainly hopeful for an HD camera announcement at Canon Expo in the coming days, but so far am unaware of any substantiated information about the capabilities of their next camera.

If you have an official source, please link it or tell us where to find it. Thanks!

I don't like linking to other sites, but here is where I found the information.

"....will not have a 24 frames progressive scan mode"
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-CEO-Displays-HDV-Camcorder.htm

Have a look at this blog on the speech yesterday by Fujio Mitarai, President and CEO of Canon.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/LiveBlogging-the-Canon-Expo-Keynote.htm

and possible reference to more than one camera.

Apparently the announcement is going to come today, the 14th, at 10:30AM. I am eating my words on that photo . . .

Christopher and Peter,

Agree that we don't want to make a habit of going to other web sites -- some of which may have a reputation for, shall we say, speculative reporting -- as we look for the hot news, but considering the buzz about Canon lately, verfying the source of the latest rumors and reports are most appreciated. Thanks.

Happily, we can stay right here at DVinfo for all the latest rock-solid information on Canon's new camera. As of today DVinfo "Kennelmaster" Chris Hurd has established a new forum just for Canon's new HD camera:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=101

I'm going to look in that forum to see what's new and true about Canon's new camera, like whether there's no NATIVE 24p, or no 24p at all (I'm sure we are all hoping for the former, not the latter). If you need me, that's where I'll be. C'mon over everyone!

Uhmm...

Here is the offical press release just in case you missed it, following this thread I saw no mention of it so I decided to post it :-)

http://opd.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20050914_xlh1.html

Also here is a pic!!

http://opd.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/loRes/20050914_loRes_XLH1.jpg

The hi res shot is here...
http://opd.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/20050914_hiRes_XLH1.jpg

Looks interesting :)

Great, same crap as with the Z1 - it has some kind of "24 frame mode" but what does this mean? Will they botch it like CF24 with the Sony? If the CCDs cannot capture progressively, there is no way to make 24p without blending fields, and that means resolution loss.

Canon, WHY OH WHY? You had an almost perfect camera! Why did you botch it?

That's my question too. If it blends fields to make a frame, how is it possible to be as good as real progressive? Fields are not captured at the same time. To me, it seems like while progressive is like a solid digital still, this method would be like taking a still from a video stream, or a video still. I still can't see it.
Besides, in this day and age, going back to some sort of frame movie mode just seems like a step backwards. Maybe after the XL-H1S, Canon will make a XL-H2 with real progressive.
I hope sample footage will come soon.

Right, it probably will be comparable to the Frame Mode of the XL1 and GL1-2. Which, incidentally, isn't terrible. Their field blending algorithm is actually quite good as compared with most any other method of making 60i->24p. But still, why not just capture at freakin 1080p?

I could be very mistaken, but doesn't the Sony F900 get progressive from interlaced fields? 24psf... something like that. Good enough for Lucas... good enough for me.

We might be suprised by this new camera.

Uhmm...

Here is the offical press release just in case you missed it, following this thread I saw no mention of it so I decided to post it :-)

www.opd.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20050914_xlh1.html

Thanks for posting that informative page. I actually know what the hell is going on with the features now. I am not able to save the H1 images to my PC though. I can copy the image files but they don't display once on my machine.

Good enough for Lucas... good enough for me.



I hope you don't say the same about scripts and performances! :)

Nooooooooo way, Mike!!!!!!! Talking purely technical.

Jimmy Smits??? gimme a break... and that Hayden Christianson couldn't act his way out of a paper bag!

Re: looks like a spray painted XL-2


If true, hey, at least it was spray. There would have been brush or roller marks if they did it the other way, and them'd have to be sanded off.


;-)

Here this cant get any more official than Canon's very own site

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=165&modelid=12152

then if you click on the "HDV recording" it tells you what it can record
it says 24F and 30F and 60i which im guessing the 24F isnt really 24P
only time will tell if it looks good or not.

Here this cant get any more official than Canon's very own site

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=165&modelid=12152

then if you click on the "HDV recording" it tells you what it can record
it says 24F and 30F and 60i which im guessing the 24F isnt really 24P
only time will tell if it looks good or not.

Why would Canon produce something that doesn't look good? I mean they must have tested the format end over end, brought experts to review and analyze footage which brought them to 24F.

?

24F = 24P
24F != Cineframe24

The official Canon line that I've been getting all day at the Expo is that it's basically 24P except in name. From what I've seen so far, I believe them. There's a lot more going on there, than Cineframe 24. It's definitely a very different beast.

Well when rumours of the Canon still 5D full frame camera rolled out some months ago, threads and speculation were flying around abundantly.

People were going crazy and threads just like this one appeared in almost every forum about the 5D full fram still camera.

Last month the 5D came out and the beasts were sated with the realty of the new technology made available by Canon.

So this thread shows the very same characteristics as the Canon 5D threads.

There is truth in the existense of the new Canon XL - HD. It does exist,
but when it will be ready for market is another question that only Canon
can answer.

Canon will not be like Sony, Sony like to release new products almost
in tandem, pissing off owners of new gear only to watch as Sony trips
over their release methodologies and drops a new and better technology
on them 2 months down the line.

If Canon is going to drop this new technology onto the shelves it most
likely won't be till next year.

Cheers.

Sony like to release new products almost
in tandem, p*ssing off owners of new gear

Maybe I missed one of Sony's releases? The PD-150 had been on the market for a good 3 years before the PD-170 came along, and it was only a minor upgrade. Then it was a few more years before the release of the FX-1, followed 6 months later by the Z1 (which everyone knew was coming). Just now the HVR-A1 is hitting the shelves and will eventually replace the PDX-10 which is around 3 years old.

But honestly, the day any manufacturer releases a new model your existing model continues to work just as well as it did the day before. I have a VX-2000, a PDX-10 and an HVR-Z1. I'm glad Sony keeps upgrading and improving. I've gotten plenty of good years out of the older cameras and they still do all the same things they did the day I bought them.

There is truth in the existense of the new Canon XL - HD. It does exist,
but when it will be ready for market is another question that only Canon
can answer.

If Canon is going to drop this new technology onto the shelves it most
likely won't be till next year.

Cheers.

Canon has answered. Release date is November 2005. Canon doesn't announce new products until they have a model ready to ship within a couple months. This time is no different.

-gb-