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Chris Harris
October 3rd, 2006, 12:36 AM
If you're either burning direct to DVD or encoding direct to MPEG2 from Premiere, that's most likely your problem. I've had sync issues when using Premiere's MPEG2 encoder. I export to DV AVI and use another encoder. Give that a try if you haven't already.

Ervin Farkas
October 3rd, 2006, 07:46 AM
I doubt that direct export is your problem. I have done it both ways and never had a sync problem. I would rather suspect a preferences setup issue or a codec mess-up - running multiple (and un-necessary) codecs on the same PC will invariably give you all sorts of errors.

Paulo Figueiredo
October 3rd, 2006, 07:42 PM
Hi

As the title says (or not) I thought about this workflow:

- Shoot HDV with my FX1
- Capture DV into a PPro DV project - in-camera downconversion
- Edit as I used to before having the FX1
- Output to DVD and the client is happy with a great image.

THEN (in a few years when everybody owns an HD-DVD player)

- open my old DV PPro project
- use the project's clips time-codes to capture HDV
- render
- output to HD-DVD

Now the big question is: Is this possible? And how?

The project i have in my hands right now will be delivered in DVD. But it can also be "broadcasted" to the employees through the client's intranet in flash video. The adobe media encoder - flash video has an HD option so this made me think about all the possibilities besides HD-DVD.

Any thoughts?

Paulo

Chris Barcellos
October 3rd, 2006, 07:46 PM
Assuming you have PPro2.0, how about:

1. Shoot HDV
2. Edit HDV
3. Render to HDV on tape to save finished product.
4. Render to DV for current project.

Paulo Figueiredo
October 3rd, 2006, 08:02 PM
You're right Chris.
I'm just not sure if my pc will handle it fast enough to keep editing confortable. This is my first project since I bought the FX1! just trying to get used to it. I'll try the all-HDV way for the next no-rush job but I'm keeping this potential work-flow in my mind just to be on the safe side.
For now i would really like to show this client (it's a big one) that HDV is worth some extra bucks in the budget but don't have the time to go through a new editing process to output the same job in HD.
Any .EDL , .AAF hints would be great!

Paulo

Chris Barcellos
October 3rd, 2006, 08:20 PM
If you are into after effects, etc., you ahead of me on the production end, so you are probably right about needing a higher level system. I cobbled together a pretty cheap system by a mother board, AMD 3800 + dual core, and 2 gigs ram, and a generic ATI X700 PCI express video card with 256 mgs on board. I understand that the video card is probably utilized by PPro2.0 in renders, and will increase speed. With my lower level editing, using mainly transitions and minor color correcting, I seem to have HDV render times similar to my DV renders with my Intel 1.7 machine.

Other option is to add Apect HD from Cineform, and edit in their intermediate. Runs about $500 USD.

John L Scott
October 4th, 2006, 04:53 PM
I have some footage that I have to use and due to a lens shroud position it is in the edges of the footage. I trimed aprox 10% off the edges but the quality of the footage drops of to the extent it looks very grainy. I have tried to correct it by adjusting several settings but nothing helps. It there a fix ie some setting in the corrections features that I am missing??? Pre-Thanks

VX2K camera, PPro2, Tape at SP and all that info I can think of...

Devlyn Hukowich
October 7th, 2006, 10:05 AM
I just completed 2 DVD's for a Dance Studio of there yearly recital. It was shot as a 3 camera production and edited in Premiere Pro 2.0
After cutting the sequences (60 x ~3:00), muddling through the audio and finally getting the DVD's delivered I am thinking there must be a better workflow for using multicam audio in a multicam video project.
Here is the audio recording path; Camera 1, CH1 mic in front of audience, CH2 mic on camera for audience. Camera 2, CH1 feed from board, CH2 feed from board -3dB. Camera 3, onboard mics for audience.
Most of the audio is good, however there are some places where people on stage are speaking/singing and were not miked (live and learn).
Beyond the obvious miking issues, to be corrected next year. There is the issue of audio workflow and sweeting for the production.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Or does anyone know of good resources explaining how best to do audio for video.

Thanks in advance,
I look forward and appreciate the help.

Denis Danatzko
October 7th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Here is the audio recording path; Camera 1, CH1 mic in front of audience, CH2 mic on camera for audience. Camera 2, CH1 feed from board, CH2 feed from board -3dB. Camera 3, onboard mics for audience.
Most of the audio is good, however there are some places where people on stage are speaking/singing and were not miked (live and learn).


I'm not an audio expert, but it seems like you may have dedicated too many mics or other resources to the audience. Since you don't indicate which type of mics you used, it's hard for me to suggest options. However, I suspect that 2 mics (maybe shotguns) dedicated to the audience would be plenty. If the board provides for a separate mic for the singer/speaker/podium and you can tap into that, then I think 1 or 2 stage/boundary mics would do a decent job. Overall, I've never been very satisfied with on-cmarea mics and try to stay away from them for anything except the audience.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

John L Scott
October 8th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Don't tell me no one has had this problem??? It's only a 3 year project anyway... I guess I can wait one more year

Milosz Krzyzaniak
October 8th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Hello.

I have aproximately 30 hours of footage of my documentary film. I would like first to capture all the footage to my HDD, which is only 300 GB. Therefore I'm looking for a proxy format that would save me some of the disk space, but allow to caputre entire material to my disk. It could be 1/4 PAL, and high compression. The only contition is that I should be able to load it into premiere and edit.

Afterwards I will capture only those parts that I need in full DV.

Any suggestions on the desired file format and application that will allow me to capture to it directly from my dv equipment in real time?

Thomas Fraser
October 9th, 2006, 06:40 PM
May i ask what are the best setting to use in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 to get a sharp image ? I have buened 2 DVD's and I find that they are no where as sharp as a store bought DVD.
I am using a Conon GL2 with PPro 1.5
is there a way to get a DVD burned at an outside source to get Hollywood quality image?

Ed Smith
October 10th, 2006, 06:06 AM
Hi Thomas,

DVDs produced by Hollywood are obviously higher quality due to
1) Films are shot on Film (Far more quality than DV?)
2) They burn to dual layer disks and so can fit far more data which in turn means higher datarates and better quality.

you don't mention that you are using any of the above, so it is difficult to suggest any reasonable soloution.

what settings are you currently using?

Thanks,

Mark Williams
October 10th, 2006, 07:04 AM
Thomas,

If you are using the mainconcept encoder which I use with Premiere 6.5 these are the best settings I have found and am satisfied with the DVD produced. You can encode about 1 hour on a single layer dvd with these settings.

- Video stream type: DVD
- frame size 720x480
- frame rate 29.970
- aspect ration 4:3
- bitrate 7.50 MBPS Constant
- Audio settings PCM
- freqency 48.0 khz
- multiplexing: none
- Video encoder quality (50)
- Motion search (13)
- (X) do half pixel search

Now its going to take a really long time to encode with these setting for a 1 hr. project (about 11 hours for me on my old computer). Some would argue that the video encoder quality setting and motion search are set to high, but trust me and go with the settings I suggested. Also, if you use an AC3 audio encoder you can bump the bitrate up from 7.50 to about 8.4 due to the smaller audio file size with AC3. Just don't go over 9.0MBPS total for compatability with most DVD players.

Hope this helps,

Mark Leonard
October 10th, 2006, 09:20 AM
I have a 3 min music video that when rendered to qt h.264 comes out to a tad over 1gig in file size (but damn it looks good). I'm gonna stream the video from my website like apple does for the movie trailers. but it seems all the streaming renders I've tried have turned it into crap. Anyone has some good settings that will render this down to say 100megs or so and still look really good.

Emre Safak
October 10th, 2006, 10:33 AM
Halve the frame rate to 15fps and you should comfortably be able to fit the video into 512kbps; even at full frame (assuming SD). I can fit 18 minutes of video into 75MB... Take a look (http://olivebarrel.com/tfii/tfiiwatch.php).

Mark Leonard
October 10th, 2006, 02:31 PM
well playing around with it the quality just sucks horribly when I try to drop the settings. doing a little research I've come to the conclusion that many think the native quicktime encoder in pp2 sucks. so that's my problem i think. i've seen recommedations to use "squeeze" or quicktime pro. being qt pro 7 was only $30 I just bought it and trying to see how my quality looks using it.

Bennis Hahn
October 10th, 2006, 02:44 PM
if 20mb and this quality is acceptable for you, I can look up my settings using QT Pro: http://sprocketpictures.com/williamrobinette/FWeezer.htm

Cale Rogers
October 10th, 2006, 04:21 PM
Hello,

One strategy for solving this issue would be to crop the final sequence in the compressor. The compressor will likely do a better job of resizing your footage. The problem you're describing often occurs with analog camcorder systems that were built on the idea of over and under scan. On a CRT monitor the distortion isn't visible because of the over scan the monitor processes. I've had BETA SP projects were there are visible black lines on the bottom and to the right of the captured image. On a CRT monitor the lines are not visible, but I can see the lines in my NLE timeline. I crop those problems out in the compressor without distortion.

I hope that helps,

John Godden
October 12th, 2006, 08:30 AM
Any updates on Premiere Pro 2 support for AVCHD ????

Thanks again
JohnG

Kevin Shaw
October 12th, 2006, 08:47 AM
John: try asking this in the Cineform forum. I'd guess they'll be one of the first people to support AVCHD, in which case Premiere would likely support it via their plugin.

John L Scott
October 12th, 2006, 09:21 PM
hmm I guess I haven't used a compressor so I am kinda lost here. I guess I need to ask ya what compressor are you talking about. I use PPro and I guess I haven't ventured into that area. I will do some more research on this tool. Thanks for your reply very very much, John

David Ziegelheim
October 13th, 2006, 10:55 AM
Well, they export. And you can import them, showing as a directory of the clips. However, when the clips are linked to a media, they seem to lose their in and out points. Couldn't find anything in the documentation.

Does this work? If so, how?

Thanks,

David

Tyson Persall
October 13th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Any project I open in Adobe native HDV mode (1080i) I get this error. It used to work but now in my Program monitor it says: " Media Pending" . In the bellow Right corner there is a bar saying " indexing (file name). But this just goes on forever and never ends.
I dont understand. Things worked before. What is going on?

Also, if I import a file uncompressed HD it will play back but when i render it (press enter) after it renders it says media pending.

Tyson Persall
October 13th, 2006, 11:29 AM
After 20 hours i figured it out. My scratch disks were set to a hard drive that had been taken out of the comptuer and there for did not exist to render files to.

I reset the scratch disks to a new location and it works.

James Duffy
October 13th, 2006, 01:47 PM
I recorded some video with my Canon Powershot S2 IS, and when I import it into premiere pro 2.0, it's extremely jittery. If I view the properties of a clip, it tells me it's 640 x 480, 30.00 fps, 1.0 pixel aspect ratio, so I created a custom project with these settings. However, it still flickers. I've tried lower field first, upper field first, and progressive scan; none show any improvement. I've tried various adobe presets, 29.97 fps, 0.9 and 1.2 pixel aspect ratios, and nothing seems to work. What am I doing wrong? I primarily edit footage from my GL2, and I've never had problems with jittery video. The videos play fine on my computer in media player classic, so I don't think it's a codec problem.

Mike Teutsch
October 14th, 2006, 08:57 AM
Hi all,

Just got my Adobe Production Studio Premium software and I'm anxious to take it for a test drive! But first, I want to make sure that I'm not going to have any problems with the installation.

I have Pro 1.5, AE 6.5, Audition 1.5, Encore 1.5, and other related programs already on the computer. Is is best to uninstall all of them completely before installing Adobe Studio? Will that leave my files untouched, and will they still link? I would not want to loose any important files!

I know that there are many who have already done this, so would appreciate your wisdom. I'm have my finger on the uninstall button!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks in advance----Mike

Pete Bauer
October 14th, 2006, 09:18 AM
They are completely separate installs and co-exist just fine. In fact, if you use Cineform products, they recommend leaving PPro 1.5.1 if you need 24F export in PPro 2.0 (although there is an unofficial work-around to that if you DON'T want to leave 1.5.1 on your system: manually copy the HDV folder from the PPr 1.5.1 installation to the PPro 2.0 installation).

Mike Teutsch
October 14th, 2006, 09:26 AM
Thanks Pete,

I think I will keep 1.5.1, but get rid of Audition and the others, just to save disc room.

So far, from watching the tutorials that came with it, it will take me a bit of time to get used to the new look! I'm very used to the look and feel of 1.5.1, so will keep it for now.

OK, much learning to do, better get back at it!

Thanks

Mike

Jason White
October 16th, 2006, 10:18 AM
Hi everyone,
I have a quick mpeg2 encoding question. Right now I'm editing in 10-bit SD and you can really see a big difference from regular DV. However when I encode my project to mpeg2, I seem to lose a lot of my quality.

My main question is about what my bitrate setting should be. What is the differences between the bitrate encoding types, CBR and VBR? And in the VBR realm, the difference between 1 Pass and 2 Pass? Does anyone know of a good bitrate so I can get the best quality 10-bit SD without overkill?

I see that HDV has sampling rates of up to 15 Mbps CBR if I pick MPEG2-DVD. However I want my video and audio to be encoded together. So I'm selecting MPEG2 video format, which is preset to VBR and I'm given a min, max, and average and I really don't know how to set those correctly. I need a good bitrate so that I'm still able to see the vibrant colors that 10-bit brings to the table after encoding. I guess I could just pick 15 Mbps CBR for the highest sampling and be done with it but I'm looking for some reassurance that I'm on the right track.

Graham Hickling
October 16th, 2006, 11:19 AM
What do you want to do with the resulting MPEGs? I ask because DVD authoring, for example, sets a max. bitrate that you must conform to...

Jason White
October 16th, 2006, 02:06 PM
My resulting mpegs are going to be beamed up via satellite. So I guess the end file size will also have to be a function of my satellite bandwidth. So what I am looking for is the greatest sample rate for 10-bit SD without it being overkill. But great picture quality is my objective.

Thomas Fraser
October 18th, 2006, 08:40 PM
Has anyone ever used the Three D ,3D, Plugin in Premiere Pro 1.5?
What were the results you got?
Also where can I get 3D glasses in Toronto?
Thank you

Clint Comer
October 18th, 2006, 08:53 PM
Hey guys. I'm new to the H.264 compressor and have been trying to render out from my timeline to an mov. The issue I'm having is no matter what size I put into the frame size selection it always comes out as 320x240. It says that its the size I chose in the summary window but on the left had size where it shows the source size and the output size it says 320. I'm using premiere pro 2.0 and I have QT Pro 7.1 installed. Is there a preset somwhere that I'm missing? The only way I have gotten around this is to select export movie and get the frame size I want but am left with a huge file size or export a dv avi and then open it up in QT nd export it that way. Would love to figure this out in the encoder of premiere to elminate the extra step and time. Thanks.

Aviv Hallale
October 19th, 2006, 04:15 AM
I'm editing footage that was shot on a Panasonic DV15 in "Cinema Mode" which I doubt is true widescreen, rather just a letterbox mask. I made a Widescreen project in Premiere and while capturing the footage seemed letterboxed on my standard monitor, which is expected, but then all of a sudden it changed to a "double letterbox" type look. The picture was then squeezed and looks out of proportion. Is this Premiere trying to convert what is actually 4:3 into widescreen for use in the project? Which setting should I have used?

Jeff Snyder
October 19th, 2006, 08:52 PM
I am wondering as well. I have video on a DVCPRO tape, and I need to edit and take screen captures/stills. From the Adobe website, PP2 natively supports DVCPRO format, so, if I understand this, I can import/ingest the video from the DVCPRO tape into PP2, where I can make screen captures and edit it, correct?

Jim Long
October 20th, 2006, 02:30 AM
This may be an very entry-level question but I guess I've forgotten to choose a really important project setting because I'm having a problem with PPro that I never experienced with my old Avid.

It seems like the more SAVEs and RENDERS that I execute, one of the drives (C?) seems to "fill up" and then it won't render anymore and finally gives me the "serious error" message and shuts down. I've been able to minimize this by quitting and doing a hard reboot when I think I'm getting close to losing everything. This seems to work but it's a genuine pain in the ass. It also does not make sense, since I've got 2 Terabytes of storage on one array ('V' drive) and the 'C' drive is over a 100 gigs.

Pete Bauer
October 20th, 2006, 09:01 AM
It may be that your temp files (video preview files,etc) are going onto your C drive by default. The temp files can large and numerous, as they are created in the background to help with real-time preview of effects. Check your preferences dialog for "scratch drives" and make sure it points to a location on a large, fast volume.

BTW, what RAID level are you using on the 2TB drive? (RAID 5 is great for an archive, but write performance will be pretty slow and definitely affect editing).

Chris Barcellos
October 20th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Didn't see a lot on this in my thread search, so point me if I have missed it.

Shot an school play with two cameras. One with Unbroken time code, the other with minor breaks.

1. I opened a new project in 2.0, but the unbroken file Video1,Audio1 lines.

2. I manually synched the three files from the second camera on the Video2, Audio2 lines. When I say synched, I mean I was able to match up so there was no echo in sound, and the video matched.

3. So now I have a completed synched sequence, which is called sequence 1.

4. I save everything, then opened a new sequence on the time line, and I drag sequence 1 into sequence 2 time line.

5. The first time I did it, I was able to get every thing up on the multi camera monitor, and mess around with it, switching cameras back and forth. I inadvertantly closed the sequence without saving, and when I retried same steps again, I get a blank screen.

Anyone have any hints on this process or what I am doing wrong ?

Pete Bauer
October 20th, 2006, 11:09 AM
Double check that you've enabled multi-cam in the menus -- it's easy to miss. Otherwise, it may be quicker to go back to your most recent auto-save before having lost the multi-cam.

Jim Long
October 20th, 2006, 11:30 AM
Pete, these are the kind of simpleton issues I run into since I come from a linear bg--at 58 years of age, I qualify as an old fart. I got my first taste of the NLE world with the original Toaster (which was really more of a virtual switcher).

I'm just a humble cutter and still don't fully grasp what goes on inside that really noisy tower that purchased from BOXX (but it sure keeps the room warm on chilly winter days).
I do use the Raid for storage and the particular project that I'm having the issues with is HD and I'm using Prospect from Cineform. I decide to use the Raid storage as the scratch disc.

Was this a bad thing?

Any helpful hints are most appreciated.

Chris Ruona
October 20th, 2006, 01:36 PM
In Premiere Pro, when i capture video now this is what happens...
1. While watching the capture, i can see the video and hear the audio
2. After its done capturing i close out and start my project.
3. I drag the file i just captured onto the timeline and click play. The video plays but no audio.
4. I found the original file on my hard drive and played it with windows media player and both audio and video play perfectly.
5. Back in my project i delete the files and try to re import them.
6. When i import them a warning box comes up and says "Disk Write Error. Verify drive connections, available disk space and disk access privelages. Then save, close and re-launch the project."
7. I even reinstalled premiere and the same stuff happened. I tried capturing from a different tape and the same thing happens.

Does anybody know whats going on?

Chris Barcellos
October 20th, 2006, 05:17 PM
1. Its not a capture problem, because you can play it in media player. That means everything hasn't gotten to your hard drive.

2. So question becomes what is going on while in Premiere. You need to provide more particulars. For instance, I seem to have issues with my set up in working with files off of a USB Harddrive. My system will crash when I am trying to edit off that. When I use on board hard drives, no problem. For someone to help give particulars of file types capture (HDV, DV), the system you are using, what disks are being used. I have heard ther are issues with some Raid setups in editing systems.... so lay it out so people can help.

Edit: Don't forget the version of Premiere Pro.....

Mike Quinones
October 20th, 2006, 09:01 PM
I just upgrade to After 7.0 Standard. But for some reason when I open the program, about 25 seconds into opening it shuts down. I try uninstalling it a couple times with the same results. Is there anybody out there with an Idea of what can I be doing wrong. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Pete Bauer
October 20th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Within its User Forum area, Adobe has separate pages for Win and Mac installation problems linked from it's Top Issues page. You do have to create a log in if you haven't previously done so, but it is painless:

http://www.adobe.com/support/products/aftereffects.html

If that doesn't help please provide as much info here as you can, such as:
- What are your system specs (in detail)?
- If WinXP, do you have the latest Service Packs and updates?
- Is this part of Production Studio, or stand-alone?
- What other software, especially video-related, is already on the system?

Mike Quinones
October 20th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Pete;
Thank You for taking the time to reply. Pete I have a Pentium 4 3.00GHz with 1 GB of Ram This is an Acer Lap Top with a 7200RPM hard drive.
My computer is up to date with Windows programs. But I'm taking you advice and will go to Adobe forum for help.

Calvin Wallace
October 21st, 2006, 02:39 PM
Is the audio preview rendering in the bottom corner of the screen?

Mike Teutsch
October 21st, 2006, 05:12 PM
Sounds like you have the audio playing out to the capture device. Check your settings.

Capture window, capture settings, general, playback settings,,,,, then audio settings. To check this out to see if that is it, just disconnect your capture device and play the footage.


Mike

Aviv Hallale
October 22nd, 2006, 05:08 AM
Lets say I have a couple of sequences in my project bin, all nested into a master sequences...If I accidentaly delete a sequence from the project bin, it will obviously be deleted from the timeline, but how (besides an Undo) can I re-import the sequence into the project bin or am I forced to re-edit that sequence? Also, is there a way to lock assets in the project bin so I don't end up deleted them by accident?

Calvin Wallace
October 22nd, 2006, 07:35 AM
I'm pretty sure it's gone completely if you deleted it from the project bin.