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Giuseppe Palumbo · August 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM

Too the point.
-I like what i do.
--I do it for free usually
---People act like i have to do it, even though it was my idea.

Basically, im making a music video for some kids i know and they bitch and complain the whole time even though, all they have to do is play the song, it's not that hard. I know im not all professional and everything...but ive took band pics, filmed int he studio and concerts and they still expect me to BUY there CD when it should just be handed over to me honestly...

but, i still got the footage haha.

(this reminds me of one of those like, live jounal things)

Dear Diary^

K. Forman · August 29th, 2005, 05:18 AM

Make them buy the video ;)

Jay Gladwell · August 29th, 2005, 06:09 AM

LOL --

Giuseppe, why does this not surprise me? Just hang in there, they'll come around (maybe).

Jay

James Emory · August 29th, 2005, 10:36 PM

Giuseppe, I agree that they should at least give you a copy of the CD if you're working for free or deferred. I would just stay away from ingrates like that if I were you. You may like the thread below if you think these guys are bad. Just take a look at some of these hell shoots.

www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=33082

Brian Wells · August 31st, 2005, 10:55 AM

You at least deserve a T-Shirt or a CD. But, you'll need to fight for it!
Well wishes.

John McManimie · August 31st, 2005, 11:57 AM

Just put a giant watermark that says "Free Version" over all the footage and tell them that un-watermarked footage costs money. :-)

James Emory · August 31st, 2005, 12:22 PM

Yep, the watermark is a great way to allow a demo to be seen and at the same time make sure that everyone who sees it knows who produced it. That's the security method that I use for projects that I have produced in the past for deferred or no pay to get experience or just have a demo of my work. It's also great when sending a proof to show that is just what it is, unfinished. If you do use a watermark, make sure it's near the center so it can't be masked out. I would recommend at least placing duplicated text/graphic lines in the top, middle and lower third if not just a subtle wallpaper background watermark covering the entire viewing area. With watermarking one thing's for sure, I may never get paid, but everybody that sees it will damn sure know who did it. Another good thing is that watermarking can be annoying to the viewer so the presenter may get so tired of telling people what and why it's there that they will just pay you for the clean version!

Bill Porter · September 15th, 2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John McManimie

Just put a giant watermark that says "Free Version" over all the footage and tell them that un-watermarked footage costs money. :-)

Ha ha ha!!

I agree, if I did happen to be doing free work and they told me I needed to pay for the CD, I'd tell them to F off and leave, then wait for the call on my cell, begging forgiveness.

Matt Sanderson · September 15th, 2005, 05:55 PM

Great idea for a watermark, but what should it say!?

How about:

Invoice #32901827

Or

Oustanding Production Costs $3450.78

Or

Introducing, "The Deadbeats"

Or

Account Overdue

LOL

Josh Bass · September 16th, 2005, 12:36 AM

You should lie and tell people: "I don't know what the deal is. . .there's something wrong with the editing software. . .this watermark thing won't go away unless I get paid. It's weird, I know, but what can you do?"

James Emory · September 16th, 2005, 12:41 AM

Bill and Matt.....

LMFAO while PMUOTF!!!

Stephanie Wilson · September 16th, 2005, 01:00 AM

Hey guys,

My producer and I have a 7 minute promotional DVD which we have already sent out, with more to follow. We're trying to get funding for a doc about a well known jazz musician. Can somone explain what exactly is a "watermark" so we can perhaps protect our next batch of DVD's.

Thanks much in advance,

Steph

James Emory · September 16th, 2005, 01:06 AM

Hey Stephanie. A watermark is simply a graphic or whatever you want that is superimposed over your video. It is similar to the security features used on financial documents or still images. Usually it is semi-transparent, like a lower third, ID you see on the networks. Just make any kind of graphic or line of text and super it over your video so that it can't be used without seeing your info for the reasons that I posted earlier. You want to make the transparency just visible to be seen but not enough to interfere with viewing to make it too distracting and then you want to strategically place it so that it can't be masked out. Another great use for this is to identify a particular version or that it is a proof for a project. If/when the client is ready to purchase or sometimes only after they pay, you send them the clean version.

August 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM	#1
Giuseppe Palumbo Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 199 Images: 7	Free work is Dumb work. Too the point. -I like what i do. --I do it for free usually ---People act like i have to do it, even though it was my idea. Basically, im making a music video for some kids i know and they bitch and complain the whole time even though, all they have to do is play the song, it's not that hard. I know im not all professional and everything...but ive took band pics, filmed int he studio and concerts and they still expect me to BUY there CD when it should just be handed over to me honestly... but, i still got the footage haha. (this reminds me of one of those like, live jounal things) Dear Diary^ __________________ AIM - N film B www.nbfilms.us

August 29th, 2005, 05:18 AM	#2
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Make them buy the video ;) __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

August 31st, 2005, 10:55 AM	#5
Brian Wells Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 143	...classic instance of 'mutual exploitation' so far as I can tell. You at least deserve a T-Shirt or a CD. But, you'll need to fight for it! Well wishes.

August 31st, 2005, 12:22 PM	#7
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Watermarking Yep, the watermark is a great way to allow a demo to be seen and at the same time make sure that everyone who sees it knows who produced it. That's the security method that I use for projects that I have produced in the past for deferred or no pay to get experience or just have a demo of my work. It's also great when sending a proof to show that is just what it is, unfinished. If you do use a watermark, make sure it's near the center so it can't be masked out. I would recommend at least placing duplicated text/graphic lines in the top, middle and lower third if not just a subtle wallpaper background watermark covering the entire viewing area. With watermarking one thing's for sure, I may never get paid, but everybody that sees it will damn sure know who did it. Another good thing is that watermarking can be annoying to the viewer so the presenter may get so tired of telling people what and why it's there that they will just pay you for the clean version!

September 15th, 2005, 05:55 PM	#9
Matt Sanderson New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 7	Well on that topic :) Great idea for a watermark, but what should it say!? How about: Invoice #32901827 Or Oustanding Production Costs $3450.78 Or Introducing, "The Deadbeats" Or Account Overdue LOL

August 29th, 2005, 06:09 AM	#3
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	LOL -- Giuseppe, why does this not surprise me? Just hang in there, they'll come around (maybe). Jay

August 29th, 2005, 10:36 PM	#4
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Giuseppe, I agree that they should at least give you a copy of the CD if you're working for free or deferred. I would just stay away from ingrates like that if I were you. You may like the thread below if you think these guys are bad. Just take a look at some of these hell shoots. www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=33082

August 31st, 2005, 11:57 AM	#6
John McManimie Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 314	Just put a giant watermark that says "Free Version" over all the footage and tell them that un-watermarked footage costs money. :-)

September 16th, 2005, 12:36 AM	#10
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	You should lie and tell people: "I don't know what the deal is. . .there's something wrong with the editing software. . .this watermark thing won't go away unless I get paid. It's weird, I know, but what can you do?" __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 16th, 2005, 12:41 AM	#11
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Bill and Matt..... LMFAO while PMUOTF!!!

September 16th, 2005, 01:00 AM	#12
Stephanie Wilson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sherman Oaks CA Posts: 255	Hey guys, My producer and I have a 7 minute promotional DVD which we have already sent out, with more to follow. We're trying to get funding for a doc about a well known jazz musician. Can somone explain what exactly is a "watermark" so we can perhaps protect our next batch of DVD's. Thanks much in advance, Steph

September 16th, 2005, 01:06 AM	#13
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Hey Stephanie. A watermark is simply a graphic or whatever you want that is superimposed over your video. It is similar to the security features used on financial documents or still images. Usually it is semi-transparent, like a lower third, ID you see on the networks. Just make any kind of graphic or line of text and super it over your video so that it can't be used without seeing your info for the reasons that I posted earlier. You want to make the transparency just visible to be seen but not enough to interfere with viewing to make it too distracting and then you want to strategically place it so that it can't be masked out. Another great use for this is to identify a particular version or that it is a proof for a project. If/when the client is ready to purchase or sometimes only after they pay, you send them the clean version. Last edited by James Emory; September 16th, 2005 at 01:50 AM.