DV Info Net

DV Info Net (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/)
-   Avid Editing Family (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/avid-editing-family/)
-   -   Avid / Pinnacle discussions from 2004 (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/avid-editing-family/12269-avid-pinnacle-discussions-2004-a.html)

Dustin Waits February 11th, 2004 11:50 AM

Okay I found the part of Avid's web site that explains the edupack.

Another question though....Will Express Pro run smoothly on my system? On the specifications list ( http://www.avid.com/products/xpresspro/specs.asp#pc ) my pc does not show up.

Here's what I have:

Dell Demension 4500
Windows XP Home
P4 2.4 ghz
1 gig ram
80 gig boot drive
120 gig storage
Nvidia Geforce4 video card
Soundblaster live 5.1 audio
Microsoft firewire card

Gary Bettan February 11th, 2004 12:11 PM

should run fine on your system. Glad to see the full GB of RAM.

Gary

Adrian Douglas February 13th, 2004 08:44 AM

Parhelia and Avid Xpress
 
Is anyone using the Parhelia 128 and Avid Express? If so, can you get full screen preview on a TV/monitor when using dual RGB monitors. Matrox provides a software utility for this to work with Premiere, AE, and Photoshop but I'll be using Avid Express Pro and want to be able to preview on my TV without rendering and going through my camera.

John Threat February 13th, 2004 11:25 PM

It works fine. I use the Parhelia with Avid Xpress Pro and you get full screen preview on the 3rd features monitor. Keep in mind that it will be a single rendered frame, which can fool you when you are working with interlaced footage.

Adrian Douglas February 14th, 2004 07:24 AM

Thanks John,

I mainly want to get the idea of how things will look as I'm working. I guess f or the final check everything will have to be rendered and run through an ADVC to the monitor.

PS check your sig mate

Michael Estepp February 14th, 2004 02:09 PM

New user - AVID Express Pro
 
I am a student, and just learning avid express pro, and I think it sucks. Im trying to speed a clip up and then through it in reverse. It will let me speed it up in the composer window, but it looses the audio. Then I can't put the reverse on it. This sucks. I would take Vegas any day!

Michael Estepp

John Threat February 14th, 2004 08:34 PM

Yes. it works great for effects work and it also outputs After Effects and Photoshop to the 3d monitor.

So I swear by it at the moment.

John Threat February 14th, 2004 08:42 PM

You will have to apply the effect to the audio track as well.
To apply multiple effects you will have step into to layer or you can hold the alt button down as you drag the effect onto the track for automatic nesting of effects.

Nesting of course is a superior way of adding effects so that you can easily decide which to add or remove or tweak. You can also change the level of the nesting to change the priority of their render on the source material.

Clint Comer February 17th, 2004 01:10 AM

Avid fix
 
Hey guys and gale got a question for you. After a recent windows update Avid seems not to work with it. Is anyone else having this problem? Has Avid released a fix that anyone knows of? Any work arounds? My school just pulled some machines off the network and uninstalled the last update and runs them that way. But I use it at home and really don't want to have to resort to that. Any input would be great, thanks.

Christopher Go February 17th, 2004 05:12 AM

Which version of Avid are you running? There is a known problem with Windows Update KB824141 and Avid Xpress Pro (not sure if this is applicable to other versions). See if you have this installed on your system, and try to uninstall it if you do.

Glenn Chan February 17th, 2004 05:45 PM

You can roll back your system in XP through start > help and support > system restore.

It doesn't take that long.

John Threat February 17th, 2004 06:06 PM

Just uninstall that FIX and itll work again

Val Daniels February 19th, 2004 01:44 PM

Avid Xpress Pro OMFI files
 
Is there a setting that would allow for the creation of subdirectories in the OMFI media folder? We currently have multiple projects going on and would like to keep files separate.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Ozzie Alfonso February 23rd, 2004 01:23 AM

Avid defaults to the OMFI directory in the drive with the most free space. There is no practical reason for separating the projects in the OMFI directories. Avid does this by way of the project bins. You can always find out and delete or copy the media files from a particular project via the Avid interface. You CAN force Avid to place media files as they are being digitized in particular drives but, as far as I know, not in specific subdirectories.

John Threat February 24th, 2004 01:30 AM

There is a program media mover that helps you do this.

I do it manually by mapping a network drive to a folder so that windows sees the folder as a drive.

Inside of avid go to the console and type alldrives. it will toggle it to be able to see even pseudo-drives as media drives.

Tony Pham February 24th, 2004 11:41 AM

Hi John,

Where is the console that you're talking about? I am trying to go to avid, but didn't know where i can type in "alldrives". Please advice. Thanks.

Tony Pham February 24th, 2004 11:44 AM

Nesting Sequences in Avid Xpress Pro!
 
Hi everyone,

Please advice on how to nesting sequences in Avid Xpress Pro. I couldn't seem to do that. I want to be able to put sequences inside sequences like in PPRO, or making virtual clips like in Premiere 6.5. Please advice. Thanks.

Ozzie Alfonso February 24th, 2004 12:30 PM

To get to Console: >tools>console -- also Ctrl +6 (or command 6 on a Mac)

That's as far as I can take you since I rarely go that route.

Clint Comer February 25th, 2004 12:36 AM

But isn't this windows update here for a reason? IS there no other way?

Glenn Chan February 25th, 2004 01:17 AM

The updates usually tell you what they're supposed to do. Some of them fix security holes, some fix bugs, etc. You are likely more productive without the update than with it. If you can't run Avid then I don't see you being very productive.

Christopher Go February 25th, 2004 08:47 AM

If I remember correctly, that fix is for a local security exploit rather than for a remote one so you should be fine as long as your computer is yours to use. Does anyone else have access to it? I doubt family members could make use of that exploit anyway, afterall, with physical access to a machine there are a lot more easier ways to mess with a machine. As Glenn noted, you're fine without the "fix".

Tony Pham February 25th, 2004 06:18 PM

Anyone, Help????

John Lee February 25th, 2004 08:02 PM

Hi Tony,

I use Xpress DV 3.5.4, very similar to pro. However, I haven't gotten to nesting filters yet. I think you should try the forums over at www.avid.com

I've been able to get a lot of technical support from some Avid experts there. Registration is free.

Tony Pham February 26th, 2004 12:02 AM

Hi John, thanks for your reply. But I didn't mean nesting Filters. I meant nesting Sequences. However, thanks for your advice. I went to avid and was able to get the solution. Thanks again.

Alexis Vazquez February 26th, 2004 06:44 AM

Dont Update yours OS (MAC/PC) until its aproved by AVID. Thats AVID Golden rule!. You need to verify first at Avid web site if "x" update is approved, if its not don't install it, it would get you into constant headaches.
Alexis

Martin Garrison February 26th, 2004 08:48 AM

Tony,

I didn't think you could do that in Avid, please share what you learned.

Tony Pham February 26th, 2004 12:01 PM

Hi Martin,

It's possible to nest sequences in Avid. All we have to do is load the sequence into the source monitor and treat it as a clip. Set in and out point then load it into a new sequence. Just a side note, don't double clip on the sequence (doing it that only opens that sequence). We should drag the sequence to the source monitor instead. Hope this helps.

Ronnie Grahn February 26th, 2004 07:21 PM

Fix for KB824141 bug
 
There's a fix for the KB824141 bug available:
http://www.avid.com/community/forums...ML/003530.html.

John Lee February 28th, 2004 04:32 PM

I use the GL2, typically the generic dv capture template. Apparantly this is a standard problem. AVID just lags behind the camera during firewire capture. Since I've adjusted and I shoot around the problem, it hasn't been an issue anymore. AVID is really picky about broken timecode, and most of the footage I was capturing back when I posted this question was stuff I did when I was quite a novice, so there were a lot of broken timecodes.

Craig Moreschini March 3rd, 2004 01:17 PM

Editing with the JVC GR-HD1U on AVID?
 
I shot a fiction feature using a JVC GY-DV500, but I still have to shoot a separate story thread for it. I have been offline editing it on Avid Express Pro, with plans to batch capture the footage again after I’ve transferred it to DigitalBeta and then do an Online edit on a more sturdy Avid.

- Anyway I’m in a money crunch waiting around to shoot these final scenes, and I wouldn’t mind a smaller camera. Reading about the JVC GR-HD1U, I am wondering a few things:

I’ve read about methods for editing footage on Premiere and Final Cut, but I’m wondering how I can edit on my Avid?

o Can I take the down converted SD it outputs and do a frame accurate edit in Avid and then match back to the HD with an EDL? In one of the bundled software packages the JVC GR-HD1U comes with, can I import an EDL?

o What other avenues might anyone suggest? I don’t think Avid supports HD projects on Pro unless they’re 23.976p. I am of the impression that it doesn’t support uncompressed AVIs.

- So, if this is possible, I guess I’d offhand be thinking that I’d batch capture from my timeline the (existing) SD MiniDV uncompressed then output (digital cut) to DigitalBeta, or maybe directly to D-5 master (along with the footage from the JVC GR-HD1U). In terms of getting the best quality masters, does anyone see a problem with this thinking?

- I have some friends that might be able to swing this Online work for cheap, but if not, for festival submissions and non-disturbed theatre showings, would the following work? - Could I up-convert my own prior SD output to this camera and do a simple assemble edit (of the Avid edited output and the HD edited in either Avid or one of the free programs) in one of these free programs (or maybe a friend’s Premiere or Final Cut Pro) and then output to D-VHS or something as a (optimistically) temporary master?

Also, does anyone know of a site where I could download clips of these panning problems that occur with the JVC GR-HD1U?

Heath McKnight March 4th, 2004 07:17 PM

I don't think Avid supports HDV yet...

As far as a capture card converting HDV, AJA's Kona HD card seems to be the best so far, going from HDV to HD with no problems. You edit with Final Cut Pro, though...

heath

Craig Moreschini March 5th, 2004 06:02 AM

Final Cut Pro?
 
I have been reading a bunch of things, avenues for editing this HD footage, but I think I maybe missing some things . . .

First, is there a FAQ regarding editing the HD output from this camera somewhere?

Second, I am considering that it maybe better if I just get a G5 and Final Cut Pro to edit this footage. And when I say just I don’t mean that I have unlimited money, more in I was considering getting a G5 anyway and am looking for the most cost effective solution.

That said, I was under the impression that I could output uncompressed footage via firewire to the computer, and that I’d only need secondary software (like maybe this http://www.heuris.com/MPEGProducts/IndieHDToolkit/indie.htm ) to edit uncompressed in Final Cut Pro. Am I wrong about this, would I still some sort of card?

Or is the card (I was confused about what I was reading on the AJA page) for capturing/converting SD to HD? Which is something that I am particularly interested in doing.

Now I know there are many shades between working to create the best quality Masters and the economy of DIY on your own desktop. But what I’d like to do is create something that would look good to project at a festival, produce festival submissions, and a website; and make it easy to up to full HD or the best quality possible when I later have the money without completely reediting the everything.

Can I do this on a G5 with Final Cut Pro? Is there a FAQ/tread in existence specifically for this? And if not, what barebones additional hardware/software would I need for the G5?

Also, offhand in terms of GB to minutes, what is the conversion when we are talking about uncompressed output from this camera?

Heath McKnight March 5th, 2004 08:52 AM

There is only one solution, and it's from Heuris, as far as an official Apple editing solution is concerned.

http://www.heuris/com

Some other ideas are floating around including these:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16812

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=20387

and more...(I can't seem to find some of them).

heath

Craig Moreschini March 5th, 2004 09:21 AM

Okay, I found two good beginner treads which answer a lot of general questions:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19556

For general editing solutions explained, and

PC:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17012
Mac:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22019
For lots of software issues.

Also, here for a discussion of TC issues:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21696

I also understand now the difference between HDV and HD, basically. I guess if one wanted to up convert to regular HD, which I guess is the purpose of this card.

I also was offered some solutions in the Avid Community forum:
http://www.avid.com/community/forums/Forum38/HTML/003675.html

But basically, for the time being, I think it would be better to edit in another NLE other then Avid, either Premiere for PC and Final Cut Pro in Mac, based on what I’ve read so far. . .

In terms of converting SD DV to HD, it seems it would be best to edit a project first in Premiere or Final Cut Pro in SD, and then import the footage in to a HD project where it would be converted/resized to HD. Is my thinking on this correct?

I am still thinking about getting the G5, and hoping by the end of the NBA there are some cheap solutions for Final Cut Pro.

Maggie Goldwasser March 8th, 2004 09:56 AM

Pinnacle Liquid Edition
 
I am about to purchase my own editing software and after a bit of research I have found that Pinnacle Liquid 5.5 seems to be a very good, easy to use program. I'm wondering if anyone out there uses it and has any input for me. Or if you want to suggest an alternative, please do. thanks.

Richard Troost March 8th, 2004 11:53 AM

Check your graphic card, Pinnacle and Nvidia is not a happy marriage. Pinnacle did not use the windows GUI for Edition, so you have to learn it al over again.

But, you can arrange all the tools in the way you like, you can put all the icons you need above the timeline. Liquid Edition has an amazing pair of color correction tools -I don't believe that there is a program that can get close- and it's also very well explained, so you will be knowing why, how en when in no time. They have a very smooth "timewarp"a slow/fast over which you have very detailed control. They use the GPU for a lot a effect/transitions so you can try things out and watch the effect immidiatly. you get a lot of transisions and effect with the program on top of that you get Hollywoodfx 5.1 with even more effects and transisions. and, without all the pull down, pop-ups and click them aways it's also easy on the eyes! The complete reference manual is on-line, so you do not have to buy it unless -like me- you prefer to read from paper.

And, not for you but a lot of people like this, you can almost for sure get a copy in your own language. Even if your English is good, it's always nice to do some tasks, and read a manual!, in your own language.

There is a lot more, you can look at some instruction video's at Pinnacle's site, they are also a very good start for editting

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PBN/defau...=6&loc=lMen541

(It's a dutch language link, don't know the number for English, but you can read the important stuff, that's in English.)

And when you scroll down, you will find even more stuff, some from before Liquid, just Edition, but you can learn from them too!

And here is an excellent site in -Brittish- English about Edition e.o.

http://www.mikeshaw.co.uk/studio_use...face%20overvie

When you would ask me wat to buy, I would know the answer :)

Glenn Chan March 8th, 2004 06:17 PM

Each NLE has its own strengths and weaknesses. Figure out what kind of material you want to edit and then see which NLE seems to be the best match. A lot of them have demos (Premiere Pro, Vegas, Avid free DV which is a very crippled version of Avid, etc.).

I like Vegas because it's really powerful video-wise (good color correction and compositing tools), the best NLE for audio editing hands down (Vegas started out as a multitrack editor), and very stable. A downside to Vegas is that it renders slow, and probably won't touch Edition in that area. I suggest you try the demo and download the shortcut keys thing stickied in the Vegas forum on dvinfo.net.

Denis Murphy March 8th, 2004 08:03 PM

How to sync sound in Avid Media Composer
 
I apologise for this basic question, the answer to which I have just spent several hours seeking throughout the net, to no avail.

Here's my predicament.

Helping to edit a short film, shot on 16mm 25fps, transferred to PAL video. Sound recorded at 25fps to DAT.

We have captured the telecined video, as well as the DAT audio, to media composer. Now we have to sync sound and video so we can edit!

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good workflow for this? Intuitively it seems to me we must create a sequence for every video take and drop in the corresponding synced audio take, then use these sequences as "clips" for our edit.

Is this correct? And what is this autosync in Avid and how can it help me??

ANy help appreciated. And feel free to trash my "intuitive" workflow!

Emmet Lucey March 9th, 2004 12:17 AM

I second Richard's post, & would add that you should be very very careful to check your hardware / software compatability b4 going with edition.

Suggestion: go to the LE 5 web board general area, & post a detailed spec of your hardware, drivers, & all installed software that you need to keep on your machine. Let folks comment.

I say this because while i have been very happy with LE 5.5 (despite a very steep learning curve) i have witnessed unbelievable horror sagas of people putting alot of money, time, & frustration trying to get it to function smoothly on non dedicated systems. ( Can you say "os re-install" ?)

I would also add that all the real time effects are very dependent on a fast, well defragged 3 + g machine with a solid 1 g ram.

Do not count on tech support from pinnacle. there is none.

That much said, if you get it running smoothly & learn it, she's a beauty :-)

Jacques Mersereau March 9th, 2004 08:20 AM

I am a little confused too ;)

What kind of show are you working on? Long form?
(That would be my first guess.)

Is this a documentary with lots of source footage?
A DAT tape of audio (now in the computer) for every film reel?

It appears like you want to meld your video and audio together (same clip)
in long hunks, so when you want to take a second or two out of
a long hunk, the right audio comes along with the video?

Is this correct?

What kind of VTR are you working with?


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:34 PM.

DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2025 The Digital Video Information Network