Solved - I think, but audio problems?
 

Thanks for the reply Jacques,

Just realized I posted this in the PC rather than mac version of this forum. I am using mac but probably doesn't make too much difference philosophically, right?


It's just a short film - 5 mins. We have footage and DAT audio for approx 90 camera setups with multiple takes. Footage was shot on 25fps 16mm film and transferred to PAL beta for offline. The final cut will be re-telecined from the orginal film negative.

We have digitized all takes of film and audio. Audio was captured in long clips then subclipped into individual takes. It now has to be married to the audio as the budget did not stretch to having audio synced to the telecined film!

It seems I have found the solution, but correct me if I am wrong:

1. Double click video clip to open in source monitor. Set inpoint on clapperboard clap.

2. Double click corresponding audio subclip to open in source monitor. Again, set inpoint on clapperboard clap.

3. Select both clips in the bin, the select bin>autosync. In ensuing dialog box, check "sync to inpoint"

This creates a copy of the clip with synced audio, which we then use to edit.

Related question: the audio was recorded at 48kHz on DAT, but captured (via analog outs from DAT deck looped through betacam deck) at 44.1 kHz as this was the default setting in the system. Will this cause any problems?

Also, audio levels seem to be increasing on capture and are too hot. What might be causing this? Is it a case of adjusting output from beta deck?

Again, sorry for the basic questions. More accustomed to cutting miniDV material with pre-synced audio in FCP!!

Thanks for any help you might have.

Re: Solved - I think, but audio problems?
 

<<<-- Originally posted by Denis Murphy :

It seems I have found the solution, but correct me if I am wrong:

1. Double click video clip to open in source monitor. Set inpoint on clapperboard clap. . . .<SNIP>


Sounds right to me, especially if it works :)


<<<Related question: the audio was recorded at 48kHz on DAT, but captured (via analog outs from DAT deck looped through betacam deck) at 44.1 kHz as this was the default setting in the system. Will this cause any problems?>>>

That depends on how you plan to deliver the final product. You could
start over and reset the Avid to 48kHz and then
take the digital outs of the DAT deck and get (almost) lossless digital
transfer, but it sounds like you may be "down the road" aways and
that will take a lot of time to go back. There shouldn't be
a problem other than some fidelity loss due analog transfer/digitize.


<<<Audio levels seem to be increasing on capture and are too hot. What might be causing this? Is it a case of adjusting output from beta deck?>>>

I am not sure which MC you are working on, nor am I sure about your
beta output as to whether both machines are working at +4dB or -10dB.

Avid's with the Audio Media III card are set at -12dB, so if you send
it a -10dB signal you'd be increasing the volume a bit which would give
you overs on your peak levels.

Of course if you are sending +4dB audio out from the deck to a -12dB
Avid, then you'd be KILLING the avid . . . distortion city!
Again, I don't know what gear you're working with exactly.

Honestly, I have a fairly modest system that runs Edition just fine. Athlon XP 2600, 512 RAM, single (gasp!) 80GB hard drive, 64MB Quadro DCC. I've had my fair share of quirks and complications, but nothing that required a total reformat.

And get this: I have other stuff installed, too! Games, compositing software, all sorts of crap. Never been a problem. Though I did take the precaution of wiping and reorganizing my whole computer the other day--separate partitions for the OS, programs, and data, you know the drill, in the interest of maintaining my sanity. Gets to be quite a pain, trying to keep everything ordered properly.

In short, system clutter and a lack of dedication (that could be read two different ways, and they're both correct) have not hindered my Edition installation. Judging by the various Edition boards around the net, though, I'm one of the lucky guys. The fact that I'm a computer nerd doesn't hurt either; what may be an enormous problem for a normal person doesn't get me all that upset. System configuration problems, that sorta thing--no big deal. Being a dork has surely tainted my perspective on these issues.

Gotta love the big P. :)

Same boat as Robert. I have a P4 1.6a with 384MB of memory running Liquid Edition. Some stuff is slow because of memory, but totally workable. The DVD authoring is good, but there are still some features that I would like. The render and effects are great. Audio, at a base is OK. Pinnacle bought the company that makes Wavelab. If you buy the full package right now, you get Wavelab for free.

As far as Nvidia goes, there are some driver sets that are problematic. I use an ATI Radeon 7500 All-In-Wonder effectively. But, I am lusting for a dual Nacona Xeon with the next gen ATI card.

Indeed--an otherwise unincredible system will do quite nicely, so long as you're not dependent on realtime effects.

Funny thing about the realtime stuff; ever wonder WHY Pinnacle left the "Classic" versions of the things in there? Well, according to most people, myself included, the RT stuff doesn't look as good as the old stuff. Close, yes, but not quite. Furthermore, there are a few options/settings here and there that exist in the Classic effects but not in the GPU versions.

And while the GPU effects let you play back footage from the timeline in real time (with a fast enough system, of course), at the end of the day, you STILL have to render everything to export a file.

I never use the GPU editors (as they're called in Edition), personally.

I feel I should also point out that even Edition 4.5 had the ability to write DVDs. No menu design, no, but for straight ahead disc burning, you never had to leave the application.

The new color correction tools, well, THOSE are some impressive doohickies, lemme tell ya.

cool, thanks.

Craig,

You are on the right track.

One of your questions is which NLE you should use. My answer to this would be to not choose your NLE based on its ability to edit HDV. Ultimately, they all will handle this format natively. But rather, choose your NLE based on its features and your comfort level with the software.

You mentioned editing HDV in an offline approach. Editing your footage in SD and onlining it in HDV. Yes, I think this is the most feasible in FCP to date. Heuris, unfortunately requires you to render your timeline, and most editors find this unacceptable for their productivity. They want to keep all the benefits they enjoy in SD today (Realtime effects, monitoring on NTSC, realtime playing, etc.)

The only rectification to the description of the approach is that you wouldn't up-convert but online your project. The difference being that you replace your SD clips with source HDV (QuickTime compatible) clips using the media manager in FCP.

The great advantage with this approach is that you get to edit your HDV footage using the equipment you've invested in for SD. And this does not require you to buy a G5. You can accomplish this task very well with a dual G4.

Avid Pro v4.0 and Cannon XM2 Frame-mode
 

Hello There,

I'm using my XM-2 (GL-2 pal version) for quite some time now. up until now i've edited using avid xpress version 3.5, but recently I upgraded to dv pro v4.0;

I'm almost always using the XM-2 frame mode (which imitate progressive scan, at 25 frames/sec) - which worked just fine with the 3.5; but when exporting single image from the pro, I found out that interlacing lines are visible; i've also noticed them when exporting uncompressed AVI; I've compered then to the clean and non-interlaced frame-grabbed i've exported from the v3.5 - and we are talking the same OMF files... and the diffrence was heart-breaking.

now, my version 4 dv pro has an option to start an 23.9p NTSC project but not 25p PAL (it is mention as possible in the guide, but unavaialbe in the readme).

is that only a problem with the single-image exporting? when I d/l back to the camera will it be ok? anyone knows how to fix this problem ?

TIA,
Alon.

Alon,
yes this is a well known bug in all of the Xpress Pro 4 versions
that is 4.0,4.1, 4.1.1, and 1104.1.1. The 1104.1.1 has 25p as
standard and it works great. So what to do - you should wait
a day or two and then the 4.3 will be aviable at Avids web-
site free for registred users of Xpress Pro. This will give you
both the 25p option and corrected frame and QT and QT ref export.(By the way there is no problem when you export back
to camera with your present version).
Christian

Avid xpress pro (PC) and dual monitor system freeze on startup
 

Help, I have an amd athlon64 with dual monitors and one gig ram. I have noticed when I use Avid xpress pro (v 4.1 and 4.3) with the dual monitors the system freeze on startup at the point that it says "initializing openGL effects". Does anyone know how I can fix this problem.

Thanks

Try the folks at www.avid.com they're pretty good about fast replies.

DL this fix.

Follow the link.

http://support.avid.com/support/prodref.nsf/AdminProbSolByProduct/B9C2B5F9F560E18185256E45005DD188?OpenDocument

Thinking in Avid when coming from Vegas?
 

Any advice on how to "think" in Avid when coming from Vegas?

Notes: I need to learn Avid for an upcoming project and I've only really used Vegas and Pinnacle Studio 7. Of course, I'm getting the Avid tutorial DVDs asap.

First at all....I am a Vegas user (and fan)

In my opinion AVID is very easy to handle.....Just Read the manual carefully and make son exercises. If you dedicate one or two full days to the AVID editor you will work with it without problems....No like an expert but enough for to make your job....

Download Avid FreeDv for free. Get a feel for the interface. Many more bells and whistels of course on the Pro version, but at least you can learn where the menus are, how the timeline works...

avid and dvstorm
 

Can avid and dvstorm live together in one computer.
Will AVid and the Dvstorm card plus software, the software that comes with it, (e.g. Adobe Premiere, etc..) installed in one computer probably cause havoc...

Does anyone have the same configuration where in both of them are installed. Coz I donot want to buy another computer for each of them.

Present system: Dual Xeon, SATA drives in RAID

thanks guys

Avid Mojo Digital Analog converters
 

We've been running some multiburst test on our Avid Mojo system. In these tests we found one serious flaw. The DAC is noisy and shows substantial high frequency loss. If we run the same signal out via firewire to our dsr1500 and use the sony DACs the signal integrity is substantially improved.

I'm wondering if other people have noticed the same or if perhaps we recieved a problem unit.

I would like to say otherwise the unit shows good bandwidth. The ADC side is fine and the codec internally seems to operate very well. (There is an anomoly where input signals, captured at dv25, are cropped at 100ire, but we haven't figured out exactly what's going on there.)

I have no experience with that system, but for it being a
professional system I would not find that good enough. Perhaps
something is faulty with the hardware?

Camcorders Supported by Pinnacle's Liquid Edition
 

Hello all!

Just wanted to see what kind of camcorders people are using with Pinnacle Liquid Edition. I'm shopping around for a 3ccd and have narrowed it to either a GL2, AG-DVC80 or a VX2100.

I'd appreciate any input on anyone's experience with those 3 Camcorders and Liquid Edition

Thanks in advance!

Arnold

I know folks using GL2s. I use a VX2100. I do not remember if the 80a does 24p, as LE does not support 24p.

Otherwise, any IEEE1394 camera that I have seen works with LE.

Thanks for the input George! Now, if I can just settle on which camcorder to buy. :)

Arnold

Pinnacle supports a product bulletin board. So if you have other questions, they can also help.

http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/read...onID=115&lng=1

Avid and HDV
 

I received an email from Avid claiming they're "ready" for everything from HDV to uncompressed HD.

http://www.avid.com/hd/index.asp?dm=DSHDHTMLQ304

I also thought this was interesting:

"Avid Xpress Pro
Native HDV and JVCPRO HD editing plus Avid DNxHD"


(Of course, Avid says it's not shipping yet...But JVCPRO HD??? Do they mean DVCPRO?)

heath

No, they mean HDV.
Avid really is excited by HDV. They think it's going to hit big in the way that DV did.
I attended their Experience Avid In Motion tour when it was here in LA and they showed some beautiful shots of autumn scenery on their HD projection system that had the audience buzzing when they revealed that it was HDV. It's their intention to support it natively beginning with Avid Xpress Pro in the next release coming by the end of the year.

Heath,

I just reread your quote "Avid Xpress Pro
Native HDV and JVCPRO HD editing plus Avid DNxHD"
and went to the Avid website. It must have been a typo, because everywhere I looked, it said Native HDV and DVCPRO HD.
They didn't get as much play in the press as Apple did, but at NAB Avid also announced support for DVCPRO HD.

Blur effect with Liquid edition
 

Hi guys....

Has anyone found out a way of either producing or adding a blur filter to make the edge of the screen/picture blurred, but as you move towards the center of the screen, there is no blur.....?

Sorry....that sounds rubbish when I read it back, but it's quite tricky to explain...!

I'm after a look that is like looking down a "telescope" or tube, so that the edges are blurred in a circular"template" around the edge of the screen, but the center of the screen is not blurred....

I've played with the blur effect, but can only work out how to do "square" looking blur patterns, and not the edge of the picture, but the whole lot.......

I guess the closest analagy I can think of is when wedding photographers take pictures with "grease" on the outside rim of the lens, it produces exactly the effect I'm after.....

Any ideas?!!

Thanks

Try this:

Copy your clip and paste it above itself. Apply the Blur CPU in Realtime Clip FX to the bottom clip. Now apply the MultiShape Crop GPU from the same folder to the top clip. Change the size to suit and in Shape, change the Sides to 40.

You can keyframe or turn them off. You can use the edge softness in the multishape crop to blend it with how much blur you use in the blur fx.

Thanks George...just the job !

avid xpress guide
 

hi, does anyone know where i can download a guide for avid xpress?

thanx.

lukah

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England :


They didn't get as much play in the press as Apple did, but at NAB Avid also announced support for DVCPRO HD. -->>>

That's the difference between announcing support and actually delivering it.

The Avid link in the first post makes it seem like they're shipping an HDV solution right now, but a click or two into the site reveals it's an asterisk "*Planned for future release."

Exclamation marks
 

ummm....

I think I've messed up !

I deleted most of the elements of a project to start another one, but now have red bars and exclamation marks everywhere in my racks for sound files and title decko's etc.....!

On the timeline, it plays nothing apart from the big "!"
If I right click and "Open with titledecko".....the title opens fine, but is not recoginised on the timeline.....

Can anyone suggest anything?

Cheers

Premiere? What version?

See this thread on project files

Not saved any older versions I presume?

oops...!

Sorry.....! I'm using Liquid Edition.

No problem. I've changed the thread's title for you to indicate
this to hopefully attract a few more people. Not a lot of people
here are using LE to the best of my knowledge.

Nick,

Have you tried Using the Project Clean up function of LE. Don't know if it will solve your problem but its worth a try.

You access Clean up through the Trashcan icon on the LE desktop.

Good Luck

avid to dvd problem
 

Hello all,

I use Avid xpress pro 4.3 , I like editing with it but I can’t find a way to exporting it to DVD. I’ve tried to use QT ref. sending it to Sonic dvdit or Tempgen (for the Authoring I prefer DVD lab) but the result was unacceptable. Even if I try to see the QT ref. through a QT browser it looks bad. Exporting to Qt regular file did not help ether (and cost a lot of space).

What could be the problem? What would you suggest?

For now I copy the sequence to a dv camera (I do it any way for backup) then recapture it with Sonic mydvd that makes an mpeg out of it, then author it with dvd-lab and burn it with it – It works but there must be a better way.

Thanks.

Try TMPGEnc (Google it). A trial is available - and it's inexpensive. Very high quality MPG encoder.

Did you not get a copy of Sorenson Squeeze? I assume you have the student version of Avid? Sorenson is a great compressor, and highly reccomended by Avid.

Well as, I’ve wrote, I have tried Tempgen and it didn't get a good result in this case. I think that the problem begin with Avid and it's QT reference file - as I've mentioned, viewing it even wit QT 6 browser gives poor result.

Have you experienced Tempgen or Sorenson squeeze with Avid (exporting as QT ref)?

Dan.

I have installed Sorenson and the result seems to be good (much better then any test I have made before with other programs). Still I have to complete the test by burning it to dvd and test on TV.

However installing the Sorenson invoke an error in my win xp file explorer – the explorer crash each time I select a file (any file) with an MPG extension (Uninstalling Sorenson fix the problem).

Any Ideas?

Thanks,
Dan.