Avid / Pinnacle discussions from 2005

Richard Alvarez · February 21st, 2005, 08:10 AM

Avid won't OUTPUT advanced pulldown without the Mojo.(The mojo is hardware acceleration that reinserts the pulldown on the fly.) It will output 24p 2:3 without it. You can output either via dvd, or quicktime.

Brian Nunn · February 21st, 2005, 09:27 AM

Again guys thanks for all the help.
Say I shoot in 24p and then cut it on a regular time line, 29.97 or whatever 30fps actually is, will I encounter any problems, or If I'm making dvd's should I just cut it on a actual 24p time line, or 23.97, if thats right.
Just asking questions. As I said before I am compulsive and don't want to start something and get stuck with format issues.

This forum is great, by the way. Imformative and respectful of those of us who might be a little new to all the frame rates and pull downs. Just thought I'd throw that in one more time.

Brian Nunn · February 21st, 2005, 09:29 AM

I think what I'll do is run some tests on the different frame rates, burn some test dvds and see what I like the best.
Again guys thanks again for everything. You've really helped put my mind at ease.

Richard Alvarez · February 21st, 2005, 10:49 AM

Yup, thats the way to approach any major project. Storyboarding, exposure tests(in film) lighting tests, and now with mutli format video available, a test of Frame rate and compression options is a must. Pick some extreme examples of what you anticipate doing. Low light, high contrast, or fast action for example, and shoot a minute or two of each, then play around with it.

Good luck.

Gary Bettan · March 10th, 2005, 02:39 PM

Liquid Edition version 6.1 is now available. LE6.1 is an important update that offers several great new features such as full screen preview and comprehensive Sony HDV support.

Exciting new features now available with version 6.1
· Full Screen preview – Real time preview of your timeline on your VGA monitor for all formats including HDV
· Improved HDV Support – There is now greatly improved HDV support with the addition of comprehensive deck and device control for the shipping Sony & JVC HDV cameras & decks.
· True MPEG-2 IPB HD Rendering - IBP Rendering (25Mbit/sec) for HDV. Now you can render HDV editing and effects in the true MPEG-2 IBP format. This allows you to maintain the high quality and small size of MPEG02 IBP format across the entire HDV sequence.
· Replace Edit Function – CTRL + DRAG a clip to timeline when replacing a clip and now maintain transitions and effects that were already applied to the clip being replaced
· Drag Clips Disbanded to Timeline – Drag a clip from a rack to the timeline and both video and audio tracks are now visible.
· Display Keyframe of Existing Effects in the RTFX editor – now when applying additional effects to a clip, you can view the Keyframe markers from the existing effects in the effect editor. This allows editions to make better decisions quicker.
· Many more, great feature additions and bug fixes

Click below to look at the Liquid 6.1 Readme file for more information (fixes, new functions, installation etc.)

Installation: Click below to download the file to your system. Double-click on the file to start the installation. Note: 631 MB file size.

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsuppor...6&page_id=1054

Gary

Randy Donato · March 10th, 2005, 09:49 PM

"great new features such as full screen preview" The site at least as I read it says with a 254 meg card and HDV you can use the video card overlay to fill the computer lcd so what is offered is only that which is used by Pinnacle for preview....I don't think that is full frame full resolution.Also there is only one video card that I know of that can do 1920x1080 and that is the fireGL 7100....and what would do the scaling?

George Ellis · March 11th, 2005, 01:48 PM

I know for a fact that the X800 video cards also does 1920x1080 as that is how we configured the one we had attached to an Iiyama 46" LCD. The X800 kicks butt in LE 6. GPU renders are under a second for SD transitions (15 frames).

Also, 256MB is recommended for HDV. I have run two clips in line on my ATI 9600XT (128). SD full screen runs smoothly, even stretched to 1024x768 (I think I am actually at 1156x ).

Randy Donato · March 11th, 2005, 03:14 PM

Does it have component out to carry the signal or is it hooked up RGB 15 pin or svideo? Also I wonder if the output is full frame full resolution since the video card will only ouitput that which LE generates for preview....and I thought I read somewhere that it wasn't full frame full resolution....could be wrong though just asking.

George Ellis · March 11th, 2005, 04:53 PM

The preview is via the regular monitor. If you want a seperate monitor, you use Pro and a connection via the BOB.

Gary Bettan · March 12th, 2005, 08:37 AM

Guys, Avids got some great mail in rebate promotions going now that expire March 15th.

$200 mail in rebate on Xpress DV
$500 Rebate on Xpress Studio Essentials
$1,000 Rebate on Xpress Studio Complete

If you already own Xpress DV or Xpress Pro Avid is offering a $500 mail in rebate on all Xpress Studio Upgrades.

JVC also has a mail in rebate promotion going with JVC if you buy one of there professional DV Cams.

For more details or to download rebate forms http://www.videoguys.com/avid.html

Gary

Gary Bettan · March 16th, 2005, 08:45 PM

Just got word from Avid, the Xpress Studio rebates have been exteded for 10 more days - through March 25th!!

Gary

Gregory Doi · March 18th, 2005, 05:26 PM

I have to use liquid at work. It sucks. nothing works how it should. I cant export anything with transitions, titles, or effects. Go to Vegas. Much better program.

Joe Carney · March 22nd, 2005, 08:32 AM

Avid has released source code for the DNxHD codec so developers can create apps that can access Avid MFX compliant files.
There are no official support programs for this.

http://www.avid.com/dnxhd/

Kyle Edwards · March 25th, 2005, 10:02 PM

It would be nice if there was a VFW codec released. As of now, what can do you do with it?

Dylan Pank · March 26th, 2005, 12:11 PM

Over at HDforIndies it was explained like this:

"I think the reasons Avid put this out was 1) it makes them look an open source friendly company, 2) it could be used by post houses that wanted to read DNxHD media frame by frame into a compositing system 3) companies could evaluate it for licensing in devices. Ikegami has a camera in development that will record DnxHD 220."

This is not a direct comment from Mike Curtis but a quote he put up in his blog.

February 21st, 2005, 09:29 AM	#33
Brian Nunn Tourist Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 4	Framerates I think what I'll do is run some tests on the different frame rates, burn some test dvds and see what I like the best. Again guys thanks again for everything. You've really helped put my mind at ease.

March 10th, 2005, 02:39 PM	#35
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6.1 Updater Liquid Edition version 6.1 is now available. LE6.1 is an important update that offers several great new features such as full screen preview and comprehensive Sony HDV support. Exciting new features now available with version 6.1 · Full Screen preview – Real time preview of your timeline on your VGA monitor for all formats including HDV · Improved HDV Support – There is now greatly improved HDV support with the addition of comprehensive deck and device control for the shipping Sony & JVC HDV cameras & decks. · True MPEG-2 IPB HD Rendering - IBP Rendering (25Mbit/sec) for HDV. Now you can render HDV editing and effects in the true MPEG-2 IBP format. This allows you to maintain the high quality and small size of MPEG02 IBP format across the entire HDV sequence. · Replace Edit Function – CTRL + DRAG a clip to timeline when replacing a clip and now maintain transitions and effects that were already applied to the clip being replaced · Drag Clips Disbanded to Timeline – Drag a clip from a rack to the timeline and both video and audio tracks are now visible. · Display Keyframe of Existing Effects in the RTFX editor – now when applying additional effects to a clip, you can view the Keyframe markers from the existing effects in the effect editor. This allows editions to make better decisions quicker. · Many more, great feature additions and bug fixes Click below to look at the Liquid 6.1 Readme file for more information (fixes, new functions, installation etc.) Installation: Click below to download the file to your system. Double-click on the file to start the installation. Note: 631 MB file size. http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsuppor...6&page_id=1054 Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

March 12th, 2005, 08:37 AM	#40
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	Avid rebates expire 3/15 Guys, Avids got some great mail in rebate promotions going now that expire March 15th. $200 mail in rebate on Xpress DV $500 Rebate on Xpress Studio Essentials $1,000 Rebate on Xpress Studio Complete If you already own Xpress DV or Xpress Pro Avid is offering a $500 mail in rebate on all Xpress Studio Upgrades. JVC also has a mail in rebate promotion going with JVC if you buy one of there professional DV Cams. For more details or to download rebate forms http://www.videoguys.com/avid.html Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

March 16th, 2005, 08:45 PM	#41
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	Just got word from Avid, the Xpress Studio rebates have been exteded for 10 more days - through March 25th!! Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

March 18th, 2005, 05:26 PM	#42
Gregory Doi Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Waipahu, Hawaii Posts: 70	Liquid sucks I have to use liquid at work. It sucks. nothing works how it should. I cant export anything with transitions, titles, or effects. Go to Vegas. Much better program.

February 21st, 2005, 08:10 AM	#31
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Avid won't OUTPUT advanced pulldown without the Mojo.(The mojo is hardware acceleration that reinserts the pulldown on the fly.) It will output 24p 2:3 without it. You can output either via dvd, or quicktime.

February 21st, 2005, 09:27 AM	#32
Brian Nunn Tourist Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 4	Again guys thanks for all the help. Say I shoot in 24p and then cut it on a regular time line, 29.97 or whatever 30fps actually is, will I encounter any problems, or If I'm making dvd's should I just cut it on a actual 24p time line, or 23.97, if thats right. Just asking questions. As I said before I am compulsive and don't want to start something and get stuck with format issues. This forum is great, by the way. Imformative and respectful of those of us who might be a little new to all the frame rates and pull downs. Just thought I'd throw that in one more time.

February 21st, 2005, 10:49 AM	#34
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Yup, thats the way to approach any major project. Storyboarding, exposure tests(in film) lighting tests, and now with mutli format video available, a test of Frame rate and compression options is a must. Pick some extreme examples of what you anticipate doing. Low light, high contrast, or fast action for example, and shoot a minute or two of each, then play around with it. Good luck.

March 10th, 2005, 09:49 PM	#36
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	"great new features such as full screen preview" The site at least as I read it says with a 254 meg card and HDV you can use the video card overlay to fill the computer lcd so what is offered is only that which is used by Pinnacle for preview....I don't think that is full frame full resolution.Also there is only one video card that I know of that can do 1920x1080 and that is the fireGL 7100....and what would do the scaling?

March 11th, 2005, 01:48 PM	#37
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	I know for a fact that the X800 video cards also does 1920x1080 as that is how we configured the one we had attached to an Iiyama 46" LCD. The X800 kicks butt in LE 6. GPU renders are under a second for SD transitions (15 frames). Also, 256MB is recommended for HDV. I have run two clips in line on my ATI 9600XT (128). SD full screen runs smoothly, even stretched to 1024x768 (I think I am actually at 1156x ).

March 11th, 2005, 03:14 PM	#38
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	Does it have component out to carry the signal or is it hooked up RGB 15 pin or svideo? Also I wonder if the output is full frame full resolution since the video card will only ouitput that which LE generates for preview....and I thought I read somewhere that it wasn't full frame full resolution....could be wrong though just asking.

March 11th, 2005, 04:53 PM	#39
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	The preview is via the regular monitor. If you want a seperate monitor, you use Pro and a connection via the BOB.

March 22nd, 2005, 08:32 AM	#43
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Avid releases source for DNxHD codec Avid has released source code for the DNxHD codec so developers can create apps that can access Avid MFX compliant files. There are no official support programs for this. http://www.avid.com/dnxhd/

March 25th, 2005, 10:02 PM	#44
Kyle Edwards Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 274	It would be nice if there was a VFW codec released. As of now, what can do you do with it?

March 26th, 2005, 12:11 PM	#45
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	Over at HDforIndies it was explained like this: "I think the reasons Avid put this out was 1) it makes them look an open source friendly company, 2) it could be used by post houses that wanted to read DNxHD media frame by frame into a compositing system 3) companies could evaluate it for licensing in devices. Ikegami has a camera in development that will record DnxHD 220." This is not a direct comment from Mike Curtis but a quote he put up in his blog.