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Simon Denny September 25th, 2009 04:52 AM
Thanks Phil,

Regards

Tramm Hudson September 25th, 2009 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 1395528)
Paranoia and conspiracy grip DVInfo.
Do you realize that the Illuminati are preventing the 5D from being upgraded to 24p? I heard that black helicopters retrieved the camera with 24p firmware that was being demoed on the set of Snakes on a Train, and that the DP using one on another set died mysteriously due to too much jello. I can't tell you who my source is for this, but he is high placed in the CIA. Perhaps I've already said too much.
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As I said, I am comparing the two cameras out of the box only! Surely that makes sense?
If folks were planning on filming handheld with just the kit lens and onboard audio, sure. But most filming projects are not with such simple setups -- mics and a preamp, rails with a mattebox, filters and follow focus, and firmware are all additions to the camera that film makers will add on.

Your review is a great comparison of the two bodies as they come from Canon. Perhaps a separate "so you want to make a movie with a DSLR" comparison might be a worthwhile article.

Shawn D. Caple September 25th, 2009 07:01 AM
Cinema Lenses?
 
How did you get that Cinema Lense (pl mount?) onto the 7D? What kind of converter mount did you use?

Ethan Cooper September 25th, 2009 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tramm Hudson (Post 1396213)
Do you realize that the Illuminati are preventing the 5D from being upgraded to 24p? I heard that black helicopters retrieved the camera with 24p firmware that was being demoed on the set of Snakes on a Train, and that the DP using one on another set died mysteriously due to too much jello. I can't tell you who my source is for this, but he is high placed in the CIA. Perhaps I've already said too much.

If folks were planning on filming handheld with just the kit lens and onboard audio, sure. But most filming projects are not with such simple setups -- mics and a preamp, rails with a mattebox, filters and follow focus, and firmware are all additions to the camera that film makers will add on.

Your review is a great comparison of the two bodies as they come from Canon. Perhaps a separate "so you want to make a movie with a DSLR" comparison might be a worthwhile article.
Hey, the guy is doing all of this reviewing/blogging for free as far as I know so give him a little slack. Don't run people like Phil off by badgering them.

Kalunga Lima September 25th, 2009 07:45 AM
Thanks Phil

I still think that Canon is playing with us with this odd combination of features between the two models. Using the 7D as a base mark, we should simply be able to get the same features + full frame at the 5D's higher price point.

I just wish they'd get it straight so that we can move on and buy their gear without that nagging feeling that we should be waiting for what's around the corner.

my 2 cents worth

Ethan Cooper September 25th, 2009 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalunga Lima (Post 1396454)
I just wish they'd get it straight so that we can move on and buy their gear without that nagging feeling that we should be waiting for what's around the corner.
These are consumer electronics, and by that very nature they are designed to keep the consumer waiting and wanting what's just around the corner. It's not a conspiracy, it's business.

Phil Bloom September 25th, 2009 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan Cooper (Post 1396330)
Hey, the guy is doing all of this reviewing/blogging for free as far as I know so give him a little slack. Don't run people like Phil off by badgering them.
He's joking Ethan! But thanks anyway. I am doing it for free. Mug that I am!

If you want to know how to shoot with the 5d or 7d then i might...ahem... have a couple of DVDs that may interest you!

Tramm. Have Canon even been in touch with you?!

Bill Pryor September 25th, 2009 12:27 PM
I'll probably be in the market for one of those DVDs in the near future.

Ethan Cooper September 25th, 2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 1397270)
He's joking Ethan! But thanks anyway. I am doing it for free. Mug that I am!

If you want to know how to shoot with the 5d or 7d then i might...ahem... have a couple of DVDs that may interest you!

Tramm. Have Canon even been in touch with you?!
Joking? What is this joking of which you speak?

Time to go take a break, clearly I've been working too hard lately and have forgotten what humor is.

Mathieu Kassovitz September 25th, 2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Bloom (Post 1393972)
i can't mention Magic Lantern as it is not officially supported no matter how cool it is.
That said, is yours an official review then? ;)

5D movie mode without ML firmware is not the same tool.

Phil Bloom September 26th, 2009 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mathieu Kassovitz (Post 1397589)
That said, is yours an official review then? ;)

5D movie mode without ML firmware is not the same tool.
Hi Mathieu,

Are you THE Mathieu Kassovitz?

My article should be retitled "The Official Philip Bloom side by side out of the box review of the 7d vd 5dmkII, un-pimped up, which cameras works best for video in my humble opinion which may or may not matter to you anyway" :)

Magic Lantern firmware is great!! But as I have said it's not "out of the box" and I am not using it on paid jobs myself. I am comparing my experiences of the two, not the experience of others.

This is, like everything I and others write, purely a personal opinion. Am sure hundreds would disagree! Millions even!!

Personally I love them both, hence I will be keeping my 5ds and am eagerly awaiting my production 7d.

Alvise Tedesco September 27th, 2009 11:31 AM
Hi Philip. How do you feel focusing on your 35 L 1.4?
Thinking about 28/35 as a "normal", I realized focus ring throw will be much shorter than the one on my 50 (what I'm used to have now as "normal").
I would buy maybe an economic 28 1.8, but I'm worried of the plastic thin ring (and that, such short distance scale from 2 mt to infinite..)

Thanks (also for continuing the Monty Python tradition. Laughing a lot with your videos from you're visit to Nab to the recent british invasion)

Phil Bloom September 27th, 2009 03:32 PM
am fine with focusing with it! great lens!

Phil Bloom October 1st, 2009 02:37 PM
I have a new opinion. Check the link at the top for an updated blog!!

Chris Barcellos October 1st, 2009 03:02 PM
Phil:

As I posted on your blog, Cineforms NeoScence conforms footage and sound to 29.97. I assume that holds true for their ProRes conversion.


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