Fader ND and compatible lens at DVinfo.net

Jaser Stockert · October 13th, 2009, 01:21 PM

I'm looking at the Fader ND and wondering what the max. widest lens will be able to use without vignetting(video mode). I'm looking at either the Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS or the Tamron 17-50mm 2.8. Anyone have experience w/ the Fader and any of these lens? also, would i put my uv filter in front or behind the Fader ND? thanks for your feedback!

Bill Pryor · October 13th, 2009, 03:47 PM

Interesting. I'd never heard of an adjustable ND filter before. Seems to cheap to be too good, but y'never know. I'd guess at 17mm you should be OK ,but if you also have the UV on, you probably would get a little vignetting. With one filter you should be OK.

Stephen Mick · October 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM

Jaser,

I've got the 7D and the Canon 17-55 f2.8 lens. With the 77mm Vari-ND from Singh-Ray (different, I know from the Fader ND), I get no noticeable vignetting in video mode, though there is a little bit in stills mode.

And when the Vari-ND is on, no other filters are attached, UV or otherwise. You probably could stack, but I'd suspect you will get vignetting at that point.

--SM

Jaser Stockert · October 13th, 2009, 05:09 PM

thank you stephen! good to hear!

Terje Rian · October 13th, 2009, 05:20 PM

Hello,

I use the Fader 86mm on my 82mm Canon 16-35mm 2.8 without any vignetting issues. Very useful. Buy a larger Vari-ND and use a step-down ring. I'm not sure about your UV-filter though. On lenses from 28-35 mm and up even an extra UV-filter shouldn't be a problem. Maybe other can confirm this?

Best wishes,
Terje Rian

Brian Parker · October 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM

I use the fader nd on my 10-20mm, and it is only just about usable from 17-20mm. At 17mm you get a cross of black in the center rather than a consistent full frame cast of black, but that is only at the maximum ND level. From minimum until about 75% it's fine.

Below 17mm that cross of black starts occurring closer and closer to the minimum nd point.

Sean Seah · October 14th, 2009, 12:36 AM

That is exactly what I heard from a friend. He said that the Fadar has a cross of black in the center rather than a consistent full frame cast of black at the maximum ND level.

I'm leaned to get the Vari ND.

Terje Rian · October 14th, 2009, 02:21 AM

Brian,
Which Fader filter (size) do you use on your 10-22mm? You lens uses a 77mm filter size, doesn't it? Your description of the black bar suggests that the use of a filter like this isn't very useful on extra wide lenses. You should be using a slim filter. I've been using my Fader filter quite a lot and haven't experienced any of your findings. But as I state in my recent post I tend to use this filter above 28-35 mm.

Sean,
Every Vari-ND out there will have it's pros and cons. A quick search for "Vari-ND review" on Google will confirm this. For the price Fader works great for me.

Best wishes,
Terje Rian

Brian Parker · October 14th, 2009, 07:55 AM

Terje,
I have two 87mm filter sized lenses. One 10-20mm, and one 24-70mm. Both Sigma.
I bought the Fader ND because I knew that I would be able to use it on the 24-70mm lens.

I can still use it on the 10-20mm lens though. Just not the full range of ND, and not at the full (wide) focal length of the lens.

October 13th, 2009, 01:21 PM	#1
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	Fader ND and compatible lens I'm looking at the Fader ND and wondering what the max. widest lens will be able to use without vignetting(video mode). I'm looking at either the Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS or the Tamron 17-50mm 2.8. Anyone have experience w/ the Fader and any of these lens? also, would i put my uv filter in front or behind the Fader ND? thanks for your feedback! Last edited by Jaser Stockert; October 13th, 2009 at 02:16 PM.

October 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM	#3
Stephen Mick Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 167	Vari-ND Jaser, I've got the 7D and the Canon 17-55 f2.8 lens. With the 77mm Vari-ND from Singh-Ray (different, I know from the Fader ND), I get no noticeable vignetting in video mode, though there is a little bit in stills mode. And when the Vari-ND is on, no other filters are attached, UV or otherwise. You probably could stack, but I'd suspect you will get vignetting at that point. --SM

October 13th, 2009, 05:20 PM	#5
Terje Rian Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 105	Hello, I use the Fader 86mm on my 82mm Canon 16-35mm 2.8 without any vignetting issues. Very useful. Buy a larger Vari-ND and use a step-down ring. I'm not sure about your UV-filter though. On lenses from 28-35 mm and up even an extra UV-filter shouldn't be a problem. Maybe other can confirm this? Best wishes, Terje Rian __________________ Terje Rian, Creative Director www.notene.no

October 14th, 2009, 02:21 AM	#8
Terje Rian Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 105	Brian, Which Fader filter (size) do you use on your 10-22mm? You lens uses a 77mm filter size, doesn't it? Your description of the black bar suggests that the use of a filter like this isn't very useful on extra wide lenses. You should be using a slim filter. I've been using my Fader filter quite a lot and haven't experienced any of your findings. But as I state in my recent post I tend to use this filter above 28-35 mm. Sean, Every Vari-ND out there will have it's pros and cons. A quick search for "Vari-ND review" on Google will confirm this. For the price Fader works great for me. Best wishes, Terje Rian __________________ Terje Rian, Creative Director www.notene.no

October 13th, 2009, 03:47 PM	#2
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Interesting. I'd never heard of an adjustable ND filter before. Seems to cheap to be too good, but y'never know. I'd guess at 17mm you should be OK ,but if you also have the UV on, you probably would get a little vignetting. With one filter you should be OK.

October 13th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#4
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	thank you stephen! good to hear!

October 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM	#6
Brian Parker Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tokyo Posts: 230	I use the fader nd on my 10-20mm, and it is only just about usable from 17-20mm. At 17mm you get a cross of black in the center rather than a consistent full frame cast of black, but that is only at the maximum ND level. From minimum until about 75% it's fine. Below 17mm that cross of black starts occurring closer and closer to the minimum nd point.

October 14th, 2009, 12:36 AM	#7
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	That is exactly what I heard from a friend. He said that the Fadar has a cross of black in the center rather than a consistent full frame cast of black at the maximum ND level. I'm leaned to get the Vari ND.

October 14th, 2009, 07:55 AM	#9
Brian Parker Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tokyo Posts: 230	Terje, I have two 87mm filter sized lenses. One 10-20mm, and one 24-70mm. Both Sigma. I bought the Fader ND because I knew that I would be able to use it on the 24-70mm lens. I can still use it on the 10-20mm lens though. Just not the full range of ND, and not at the full (wide) focal length of the lens.