Please Recommend(parts) and (re)explain Zoom H4N +7D at DVinfo.net

Daniel Dayani · January 6th, 2011, 03:33 AM

Hey guys as you can tell im pretty new to this whole DSLR realm. I have been on my way the past couple weeks with my 7D, two lenses, tripod, z finder and rode video mic. As of late I have been pretty discontent with the sound from my 7D and Rode Videomic. Dont get me wrong, for being an fairly cheap mic it definetly does its job to full potential. Regarding the Zoom H4N though is where I am completely clueless. Do you need an XLR output to place into the Zoom? Or do you just need an external mic, H4N and 7D onboard mic.What i am trying to say is filming with the 7D a totally different entity than the Zoom?

Sorry if this is all too wordy but essentially i guess iam asking is if someone could outline exactly what to buy with zoom h4n down to every detail. I have a budget of about $700 but hopefully looking not to spend it all but i am completely open to suggestions. I know for interviews I will need a wireless microphone ect (any suggestions??)... So far i have heard suggestions about the NTG 2, Zoom and a boom but I am looking for serious professional sound on interviews. Previously i used an NTG 1 but definitely want to move on from that. hopefully yall understand my trouble, as it has been discussed a million times here i know, just looking for more insight on some more personal issues.
thanks!!

Doug Bailey · January 8th, 2011, 09:02 AM

Hi Daniel,
I'm replacing mine with a Sennheiser MKE400, it will be here on Monday. Read lots of good posts here on Tascam vs. Zoom.

Regards,
Doug.

Jon Grimson · January 8th, 2011, 01:56 PM

Daniel, I never understood why people spent any money on the shoe-mount Rode video mike to record audio directly into camera. Much better (and flexible) solution is the H4N and a good shotgun mike. This way you have total audio control at highest quality via the H4N can use any mike or lav's plus on-board stereo mike for ambient sound with full control over gain, audio record format etc. The on-board Rode into the camera is marginally better than the on-board camera mike itself and should only be used as scratch audio. Make sense?

Chris Westerstrom · January 8th, 2011, 04:05 PM

i think the use of the Rode mic is only to get acceptable enough sound to make it easier to sync later in post

Rainer Listing · January 8th, 2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Dayani

Previously i used an NTG 1 but definitely want to move on from that.

Daniel, the NTG1 is the same as the NTG2 just without the power. You can use the NTG1 with the H4n. Some people have said an NTG1 on a H4n is heavy on the battery, but since the current draw is very minimal there's no reason why it should be and I haven't seen figures to back up the opinion. The H4n takes XLR. or mini input. An on-board Rode is still useful for sync and as a backup - it actually isn't too bad for interviews in a pinch, and if your sound is awful there are probably other reasons (of course, any wireless lav or boom will be an improvement).

Alf Hanna · January 9th, 2011, 12:16 AM

Daniel, occasionally there is a need to just gun and run with a light weight mic, without the carrying of another item like the zoom. But I also have a variety of mics for the zoom, including an audio technica shotgun ( I use this alot) , a russian oktava, a dynamic handheld mic electro voice 635a (a great field interview mic) , and a audio technica lav setup. Also I carry a mixpre field mixer, so either I or my sound person can properly mix in the field.

Ted Ramasola · January 9th, 2011, 05:28 PM

If you want to take the Zoom H4N + shotgun mic solution, try to get a mic with option for own power as the H4N is a power hog.

I strongly suggest you use batteries with high mAh like those used for flashes, but if you use phantom its still drains fast.

Jon Grimson · January 9th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Yes the H4n supplying phantom power does use batteries fast. I use rechargeable AA's or try and power with AC adapter, The advantage to the Zoom (if not run and gun shoot) is you can put it anywhere run mike cables and I usually can power my Zoom with AC. At least for the kind of work I usually do.

Daniel Dayani · January 10th, 2011, 01:43 PM

hey guys thanks for the replies. I am now definitely buying the zoom h4n and using the Rode Videomic for syncing purposes. My only question is, if I was to use wireless mics that I could tuck under someones jacket during an interview, how would it go into the zoom ? (through xlr?) .. and if i was to use a boom with a mic connected to it which is the best mic to use for under $700?
Thanks,
Daniel

Jon Grimson · January 10th, 2011, 04:47 PM

Yes XLR into the Zoom from your wireless receivers. They don't need phantom power. I use a Rode NTG-3 shotgun about $700 or so. This mike is a great shotgun mike, I couldn't live without it, need phantom power.

January 6th, 2011, 03:33 AM	#1
Daniel Dayani Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Topanga, CA, USA Posts: 39	Please Recommend(parts) and (re)explain Zoom H4N +7D Hey guys as you can tell im pretty new to this whole DSLR realm. I have been on my way the past couple weeks with my 7D, two lenses, tripod, z finder and rode video mic. As of late I have been pretty discontent with the sound from my 7D and Rode Videomic. Dont get me wrong, for being an fairly cheap mic it definetly does its job to full potential. Regarding the Zoom H4N though is where I am completely clueless. Do you need an XLR output to place into the Zoom? Or do you just need an external mic, H4N and 7D onboard mic.What i am trying to say is filming with the 7D a totally different entity than the Zoom? Sorry if this is all too wordy but essentially i guess iam asking is if someone could outline exactly what to buy with zoom h4n down to every detail. I have a budget of about $700 but hopefully looking not to spend it all but i am completely open to suggestions. I know for interviews I will need a wireless microphone ect (any suggestions??)... So far i have heard suggestions about the NTG 2, Zoom and a boom but I am looking for serious professional sound on interviews. Previously i used an NTG 1 but definitely want to move on from that. hopefully yall understand my trouble, as it has been discussed a million times here i know, just looking for more insight on some more personal issues. thanks!!

January 8th, 2011, 09:02 AM	#2
Doug Bailey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 164	Hi Daniel, I'm replacing mine with a Sennheiser MKE400, it will be here on Monday. Read lots of good posts here on Tascam vs. Zoom. Regards, Doug. Last edited by Doug Bailey; January 8th, 2011 at 01:46 PM.

January 8th, 2011, 01:56 PM	#3
Jon Grimson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 30	Daniel, I never understood why people spent any money on the shoe-mount Rode video mike to record audio directly into camera. Much better (and flexible) solution is the H4N and a good shotgun mike. This way you have total audio control at highest quality via the H4N can use any mike or lav's plus on-board stereo mike for ambient sound with full control over gain, audio record format etc. The on-board Rode into the camera is marginally better than the on-board camera mike itself and should only be used as scratch audio. Make sense? __________________ Jon Grimson E jongrimson@gmail.com

January 9th, 2011, 12:16 AM	#6
Alf Hanna New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 10	Zoom/7d/mics/etc Daniel, occasionally there is a need to just gun and run with a light weight mic, without the carrying of another item like the zoom. But I also have a variety of mics for the zoom, including an audio technica shotgun ( I use this alot) , a russian oktava, a dynamic handheld mic electro voice 635a (a great field interview mic) , and a audio technica lav setup. Also I carry a mixpre field mixer, so either I or my sound person can properly mix in the field.

January 9th, 2011, 05:28 PM	#7
Ted Ramasola Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Allen, Texas U.S.A Posts: 1,117	If you want to take the Zoom H4N + shotgun mic solution, try to get a mic with option for own power as the H4N is a power hog. I strongly suggest you use batteries with high mAh like those used for flashes, but if you use phantom its still drains fast. __________________ Ted Ramasola http://ramasolaproductions.com

January 8th, 2011, 04:05 PM	#4
Chris Westerstrom Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 259	i think the use of the Rode mic is only to get acceptable enough sound to make it easier to sync later in post

January 9th, 2011, 05:40 PM	#8
Jon Grimson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 30	Yes the H4n supplying phantom power does use batteries fast. I use rechargeable AA's or try and power with AC adapter, The advantage to the Zoom (if not run and gun shoot) is you can put it anywhere run mike cables and I usually can power my Zoom with AC. At least for the kind of work I usually do. __________________ Jon Grimson E jongrimson@gmail.com

January 10th, 2011, 01:43 PM	#9
Daniel Dayani Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Topanga, CA, USA Posts: 39	hey guys thanks for the replies. I am now definitely buying the zoom h4n and using the Rode Videomic for syncing purposes. My only question is, if I was to use wireless mics that I could tuck under someones jacket during an interview, how would it go into the zoom ? (through xlr?) .. and if i was to use a boom with a mic connected to it which is the best mic to use for under $700? Thanks, Daniel

January 10th, 2011, 04:47 PM	#10
Jon Grimson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 30	Yes XLR into the Zoom from your wireless receivers. They don't need phantom power. I use a Rode NTG-3 shotgun about $700 or so. This mike is a great shotgun mike, I couldn't live without it, need phantom power. __________________ Jon Grimson E jongrimson@gmail.com