Stutter / jitters whilst panning

Pete Bauer · August 18th, 2009, 11:36 AM

He did say that it is visible on-camera and in the raw video, so it isn't a Vimeo issue.

Peter Berg · August 18th, 2009, 03:31 PM

I went to my local camera store and did tests one after the other . One with their display camera (old firmware), and one with my camera (new firmware). Same CF card, same lens and same tripod. Still got similar results.

Can anyone post a 'good' and 'smooth' example - just so I know it's possible?

thanks for you help.
cheers

Ken Diewert · August 18th, 2009, 05:21 PM

Peter,

Wild guess here - but I've got 2 Manfrotto tripod/head combos and on both I've had 'skipping' or 'slipping' issues that are caused by the set screws underneath the head coming loose. I recently had this with a practically brand new 701HDV head that I use for my 5d.

There are 3 flat-head screws underneath the head (on the cast aluminum portion). I tightened these up and no more skipping. It just happened on certain pans, and tilt angles - certainly not consistently, but hearing you announce when the 'slip' or 'skip' takes place, it seems familiar.

Peter Berg · August 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM

thanks for the ideas.

Tripod is fine. Have also tried a handheld pan - same issues.
Also tried the lens twist idea - same issues.

any other ideas?

My next stop is perhaps Canon repairs / warranty - and see what they say.

cheers

Al Bogdan · August 18th, 2009, 07:18 PM

Are you reformatting the CF card every time you shoot, or just deleting the old files? I've seen skipping on a card after file deletes, but never on a cleanly formatted card.

Peter Berg · August 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Thanks Al,
yep - re-formatting (almost) every time.

Ofer Levy · August 18th, 2009, 08:54 PM

Hi Peter,

I haven't seen in the info you supplied which shutter speed you used. Wrong SS can cause this problem as far as I know from other cameras.

Cheers,

Ofer Levy Photography

Mathew Zucker · August 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM

I have similar judder issues. I see judder on the cameras screen as well. Unfortunately, I am so new to video I don't know if it's me, the camera or software.
My pan/track judder video is here TrackPan_02 1/60 IS off on Vimeo

Insung Hwang · August 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM

Hi everyone,

I don't post that often, but this just happened to me as well. So maybe my own confusion will trigger some brilliant ideas. My setup: 5DII, Nikon manual lenses (50mm f1.4, 105mm 2.5) with adapters. We shot some footage for a feature, hand held on the subway. Got home, looked at the footage and they were quite "jittery"...not just that shaky hand-held look (which is appropriate at times) but disturbingly jittery, almost unusable footage. I did a test at home using the same nikon lenses and a canon lens (IS USM) with the image stabilizer turned on. The difference is staggering. I've been hearing that you have to turn the IS off when shooting on sticks. I'll have to remember that next time I shoot that way. For handheld, I won't shoot without the IS turned on.

Peter Berg · August 18th, 2009, 11:37 PM

thanks Ofer. I've tried different shutter speeds, from 30 to 1000 - seems not to make any difference when panning.

Insung - from my experience, anything handheld other than extremely wide angle, needs to to have IS turned ON. The jumpiness you get from a non-IS lens is different to the problems I encounter when moving the camera on a tripod.
cheers

Steve Phillipps · August 19th, 2009, 02:35 AM

Sounds to me like this is just the way the camera is, it's got issues with movement because it's not a video camera. I assume it uses some sort of rolling shutter like other CMOS cameras such as EX1 which can have similar issues, and again not being primarily designed for video will have a less good one than the EX and therefore more issues. Most showpiece footage I've seen from the 5D has been static stuff - nice, painterly, super sharp, but static or very slow tracking shots.
I think right from the start people have been expecting too much from these video DSLRs.
Just my thoughts, I admit I've never seen a 5D or any footage from it except on the web.
Steve

Paul Campsall · August 19th, 2009, 09:16 AM

This would be a show-stopper for me if normal panning and tilting is not possible. Can this be the case? many samples posted are fairly static shots.

Bill Binder · August 19th, 2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps

Sounds to me like this is just the way the camera is, it's got issues with movement because it's not a video camera. I assume it uses some sort of rolling shutter like other CMOS cameras such as EX1 which can have similar issues, and again not being primarily designed for video will have a less good one than the EX and therefore more issues. Most showpiece footage I've seen from the 5D has been static stuff - nice, painterly, super sharp, but static or very slow tracking shots.
I think right from the start people have been expecting too much from these video DSLRs.
Just my thoughts, I admit I've never seen a 5D or any footage from it except on the web.
Steve

I personally think is less about the rolling shutter and more about the codec encoding, but I'm, no techy.

Al Bogdan · August 19th, 2009, 01:51 PM

It is possible to do fast pans without skips. I've done many.

Peter Berg · August 19th, 2009, 03:53 PM

thanks Al - good to hear that at least someone has had some success :)

can you post a short sample somewhere?
cheers

August 18th, 2009, 11:36 AM	#16
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	He did say that it is visible on-camera and in the raw video, so it isn't a Vimeo issue. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

August 18th, 2009, 03:31 PM	#17
Peter Berg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 31	I went to my local camera store and did tests one after the other . One with their display camera (old firmware), and one with my camera (new firmware). Same CF card, same lens and same tripod. Still got similar results. Can anyone post a 'good' and 'smooth' example - just so I know it's possible? thanks for you help. cheers __________________ ------- peter berg

August 18th, 2009, 05:21 PM	#18
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Peter, Wild guess here - but I've got 2 Manfrotto tripod/head combos and on both I've had 'skipping' or 'slipping' issues that are caused by the set screws underneath the head coming loose. I recently had this with a practically brand new 701HDV head that I use for my 5d. There are 3 flat-head screws underneath the head (on the cast aluminum portion). I tightened these up and no more skipping. It just happened on certain pans, and tilt angles - certainly not consistently, but hearing you announce when the 'slip' or 'skip' takes place, it seems familiar. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

August 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM	#19
Peter Berg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 31	thanks for the ideas. Tripod is fine. Have also tried a handheld pan - same issues. Also tried the lens twist idea - same issues. any other ideas? My next stop is perhaps Canon repairs / warranty - and see what they say. cheers __________________ ------- peter berg

August 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM	#21
Peter Berg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 31	Thanks Al, yep - re-formatting (almost) every time. __________________ ------- peter berg

August 18th, 2009, 07:18 PM	#20
Al Bogdan New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Huntington Woods, MI Posts: 10	Are you reformatting the CF card every time you shoot, or just deleting the old files? I've seen skipping on a card after file deletes, but never on a cleanly formatted card.

August 18th, 2009, 08:54 PM	#22
Ofer Levy Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney-Australia Posts: 443	Hi Peter, I haven't seen in the info you supplied which shutter speed you used. Wrong SS can cause this problem as far as I know from other cameras. Cheers, Ofer Levy Photography

August 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM	#23
Mathew Zucker Tourist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4	I have similar judder issues. I see judder on the cameras screen as well. Unfortunately, I am so new to video I don't know if it's me, the camera or software. My pan/track judder video is here TrackPan_02 1/60 IS off on Vimeo

August 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM	#24
Insung Hwang Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 52	Hi everyone, I don't post that often, but this just happened to me as well. So maybe my own confusion will trigger some brilliant ideas. My setup: 5DII, Nikon manual lenses (50mm f1.4, 105mm 2.5) with adapters. We shot some footage for a feature, hand held on the subway. Got home, looked at the footage and they were quite "jittery"...not just that shaky hand-held look (which is appropriate at times) but disturbingly jittery, almost unusable footage. I did a test at home using the same nikon lenses and a canon lens (IS USM) with the image stabilizer turned on. The difference is staggering. I've been hearing that you have to turn the IS off when shooting on sticks. I'll have to remember that next time I shoot that way. For handheld, I won't shoot without the IS turned on.

August 18th, 2009, 11:37 PM	#25
Peter Berg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 31	thanks Ofer. I've tried different shutter speeds, from 30 to 1000 - seems not to make any difference when panning. Insung - from my experience, anything handheld other than extremely wide angle, needs to to have IS turned ON. The jumpiness you get from a non-IS lens is different to the problems I encounter when moving the camera on a tripod. cheers __________________ ------- peter berg

August 19th, 2009, 02:35 AM	#26
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Sounds to me like this is just the way the camera is, it's got issues with movement because it's not a video camera. I assume it uses some sort of rolling shutter like other CMOS cameras such as EX1 which can have similar issues, and again not being primarily designed for video will have a less good one than the EX and therefore more issues. Most showpiece footage I've seen from the 5D has been static stuff - nice, painterly, super sharp, but static or very slow tracking shots. I think right from the start people have been expecting too much from these video DSLRs. Just my thoughts, I admit I've never seen a 5D or any footage from it except on the web. Steve

August 19th, 2009, 09:16 AM	#27
Paul Campsall New Boot Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 7	This would be a show-stopper for me if normal panning and tilting is not possible. Can this be the case? many samples posted are fairly static shots.

August 19th, 2009, 01:51 PM	#29
Al Bogdan New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Huntington Woods, MI Posts: 10	It is possible to do fast pans without skips. I've done many.

August 19th, 2009, 03:53 PM	#30
Peter Berg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 31	thanks Al - good to hear that at least someone has had some success :) can you post a short sample somewhere? cheers __________________ ------- peter berg