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Boyd Ostroff July 14th, 2005 04:49 PM

I haven't ever worked with Canon's frame mode, but I suspect you could see a difference in shots where there is some fast motion. With interlaced video you will see "combing" on the moving areas where the two fields don't match. I'm not familiar with PC editing software, but in FCP you can choose an option of whether or not to show both fields in the viewer. If you aren't viewing both fields in your software then you probably won't see any difference between frame and interlaced.

This site has some good examples of interlaced vs deinterlaced frames: http://discussions.info.apple.com/we...Dl.0@.68ab7b77

Kyle Ringin July 14th, 2005 05:05 PM

I've used Panasonic's frame mode for a few things, and it's pretty easy to tell the difference - first your preview must be at full resolution, then go to a frame where there is a horizontal movement of either subject or camera eg a person running across the frame, or better still a pan or dolly shot. If it is interlaced (and the NLE is setup to show the full frame) you'll see interlace combing. If there is no combing, it must be frame mode.

As Boyd said, if the NLE is set to deinterlace the preview you won't see it. In Vegas set the preview window quality to best-full.

Cosmin Rotaru July 18th, 2005 06:38 AM

In Vegas, "project manager" or whatever the name of the window - where you see all the clips you're using in the project - look at the clip's properties. It says if its interlace or progressive.

David Ennis July 18th, 2005 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmin Rotaru
In Vegas, "project manager" or whatever the name of the window - where you see all the clips you're using in the project - look at the clip's properties. It says if its interlace or progressive.

I never noticed that before. Now I see it works in Vegas's version of explorer too, and you can point to any directory with that.

The comb effect gives a very clear indication, but this is much quicker and easier. Great tip, Cosmin, Thanks!

Kyle Ringin July 18th, 2005 06:03 PM

The clip properties is a good, fast indication. The frame mode on my panasonic is automatically picked up by Vegas as progressive. But the footage can lose this flag sometimes, depending how it is rendered, etc. but viewing the footage and looking for combing is a sure way of identifying interlaced video.

Mike Hardcastle September 8th, 2005 01:47 AM

Frame Mode or Deinterlace.??
 
Howdy all,
Using my XM2 as a second camera for weddings, trying to match 25p prog on my XL2 used as the primary camera, I've used it a couple of times in normal 50i mode and then de-interlaced using Mike smart(sony vegas) and DVFilm Maker, would I be better shooting in frame mode, and would it save me some resolution and sharpness, plus would the motion be closer to the 25p of the XL2.??

Cheers Mike

Rob Lohman September 8th, 2005 07:50 AM

If the XL2 is in 25p mode I would opt for frame mode on the XM2 indeed. However,
as always, do TEST this BEFORE you shoot a one-time event like a wedding!

Tim Agnew September 11th, 2005 12:10 PM

Capture setting for Frame mode
 
Anyone know if I need to set my capture settings to Frame when moving footage shot in the "Frame" mode on the Gl2? I had been capturing with the DV setting and it renders fine- just curious if I should be changing this.

Help appreciated.

Tim

Mathieu Ghekiere September 11th, 2005 01:16 PM

I think you'll best just leave it at DV, especially if you haven't had problems with that so far.
Actually I don't really understand your question very well, could you explain somewhat better, more in detail?
If that's your question - Frame mode is just being read as interlaced DV. It looks like progressive, but it isn't (in PAL, in NTSC it almost looks like progressive, but a little bit different)
So settings to capture frame mode are usually the normal setting to capture normal interlaced DV.

Tim Agnew September 11th, 2005 01:37 PM

You answered it, thanks. So, Media Studio Pro reads this footage as regular DV interlaced, correct? Thanks again

Mathieu Ghekiere September 11th, 2005 06:20 PM

I don't have Media Studio Pro, but I think it should work fine, capturing it as interlaced.
Best regards,

Nathaniel McInnes September 12th, 2005 01:53 PM

What is frame mode and what does it do?
 
Hi
What is frame mode and what does it do?

Boyd Ostroff September 12th, 2005 02:12 PM

If you really want to get into the nuts and bolts then here's an article which discusses frame mode and compares it to true progressive scanning:

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasoni...ressive-WP.pdf

Mathieu Ghekiere September 12th, 2005 04:38 PM

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Len Imbery November 16th, 2005 10:26 AM

Frame mode -->editing question
 
Hi all...I'm a new Gl2 user and was wondering about frame mode shooting....Who here uses it regularily?
I find the look of it very hard to discern as opposed to the regular interlaced mode and was wondering if I still capture it into my computer the regualar way?....or do I have to change the settings in my software too?....Is the rendered video then output still in the frame mode or would it be converted to 30fps interlaced?....and would the final output still retain any of the differences that the frame mode introduced?
thanks
Len


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