Canon VIXIA HF10 and HF100 flash memory HD cams

Wes Vasher · January 7th, 2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack Andrews

These new cams look great - except for the lack of a slow motion setting. Did I miss this in the fine print?

Shoot 60i, convert to 60p in post. Makes for really nice slow motion.

Some press releases, nothing new...

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...107_hidef.html

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...tandardef.html

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Have you actually seen one of these yet?

Not yet, but one week from today I will. The only people outside of Canon that can see these camcorders today are those folks attending CES in Las Vegas who drop by Canon's booth... and that ain't me (not at CES).

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1. Mic input: Standard Mini Jack ?

Yes. standard 1/8th-inch stereo mini jack.

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2. Is there a separate Head phone monitoring capability not tied to the AV jack and menu switching as required by HV20 ?

No. Like the HV20, it's the yellow A/V jack which doubles as a headphone jack.

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3. Auto Focus: IAF and Standard ?

Yes to both.

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4. How is manual focus achieved.

Don't know for sure but probably via the joystick.

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5. AVCHD: I will check this out at Cineform thread, but have we gotten pulldown and conversion lined out in Cineform yet.

That's a CineForm question.

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Originally Posted by Ocean Zen

It says the HF10s lens filter size is 37mm where as the hv20/30 is 43mm. Does this mean it uses a smaller lens? Would this degrade quality at all?

The image sensor in the HF10 is physically smaller than the HV20/30, therefore the diameter of the lens is also smaller, and no this does not noticeably affect quality.

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Originally Posted by Zack Andrews

slow motion setting... Did I miss this in the fine print?

If it was in there, surely they'd be making a big deal out of it, so no I don't think you missed anything. It's just not one of their features.

Ocean Zen · January 7th, 2008, 12:39 PM

Thanks for answering all my questions Chris DVI is proving to be a great site :)

Chris Barcellos · January 7th, 2008, 12:45 PM

Thanks Chris. Will look forward to your review when you actually get hands on.

What are current editing options for this camera....

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 12:53 PM

Editing options are anything that can handle AVCHD.

I think we have some extensive discussions about that in our AVCHD forum.

Dylan Couper · January 7th, 2008, 01:15 PM

Anyone want to start an HF10 vs. HV20/30 thread? :)

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 01:25 PM

Shall I whip up a comparo chart, a la http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/cano...rehv10hv20.php ...?

Wes Vasher · January 7th, 2008, 01:40 PM

How about just adding the HV30 to that one? And then making another one for the Canon AVCHD camcorders.

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Since the differences between the HV20 and HV30 can be summed up in one paragraph and a photo, I'll probably just update the page to include the HV30 changes at the bottom.

David Moody · January 7th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Is AVCHD essentially the same as AVC (h.264)?

It is good to see that the data rates are increasing, but they are still well below what HD movies are encoded at. 25mb/sec and up, even for AVC or VC1 encodes.

Ocean Zen · January 7th, 2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by David Moody

Is AVCHD essentially the same as AVC (h.264)?

It is good to see that the data rates are increasing, but they are still well below what HD movies are encoded at. 25mb/sec and up, even for AVC or VC1 encodes.

This is the gripe I have with AVCHD - The standard dictates that manufacturers COULD go up to 24mbps but they rarely go past 15 or in this case 17mbps

HDV meanwhile might be seen as an older and perhaps inferior codec but it does record at 25mbps

Duane Steiner · January 7th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Canon has them up on their site: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...categoryid=173

Wes Vasher · January 7th, 2008, 09:56 PM

They have HDMI via a mini-HDMI connector. Manual focus, 24p, 30p, and Cinema gamma settings just like the HV20. Canon continues to impress.

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2008, 11:34 PM

But will the image quality be improved in these new AVCHD models or be the same as the HG10?
Currently the HG10 is a step behind the HV20 because of the AVCHD compression- wonder if any improvements have been made with these 2nd gen cameras?
The HG10 is very good but not as good (sharp & motion handling) as the HV20.

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 11:37 PM

No way to really know that until you can get 'em side by side.

Can't determine this from numbers or specs; it's all in the image and these aren't shipping yet.

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Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Since the differences between the HV20 and HV30 can be summed up in one paragraph and a photo, I'll probably just update the page to include the HV30 changes at the bottom. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 7th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#40
David Moody Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	Is AVCHD essentially the same as AVC (h.264)? It is good to see that the data rates are increasing, but they are still well below what HD movies are encoded at. 25mb/sec and up, even for AVC or VC1 encodes.

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January 7th, 2008, 09:56 PM	#43
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Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	But will the image quality be improved in these new AVCHD models or be the same as the HG10? Currently the HG10 is a step behind the HV20 because of the AVCHD compression- wonder if any improvements have been made with these 2nd gen cameras? The HG10 is very good but not as good (sharp & motion handling) as the HV20. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2008, 11:37 PM	#45
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	No way to really know that until you can get 'em side by side. Can't determine this from numbers or specs; it's all in the image and these aren't shipping yet. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!