HV20 Deer Clip at DVinfo.net

Jacob Carter · April 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM

This movie was shot from the side of the road in my car.

I left the original soundtrack in the clip so you could all enjoy the moron that blew by me going at least 100mph.

I am very new to video camera work, so I am always open for suggestions.

Thanks!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A24W6G4P

Mark Patrick Anderson · April 5th, 2007, 11:44 AM

This looks like it was shot at 1080i, 30fps. That's fine but I would take advantage of the uniqueness of the 24fps that the Canon offers. Try setting your cam on the 24fps setting. You have the perfect cam for nature shots like this and the deer footage is very "peaceful". Make sure you have the OIS set to on and be careful when zoomed in to keep the cam steady (one of the drawbacks of small, lightweight, cameras!). Very nice and thanks for sharing your footage!

Jacob Carter · April 5th, 2007, 02:32 PM

Thanks for your feedback.

I am not sure if I like the 24p feature yet or not.

The picture looks jerky to me when panning. Is this normal?

Steve Szudzik · April 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM

That's been my experience with it so far, but I haven't played with it all that much. I'm a complete novice too, so I certainly don't know all of the tricks that could be employed to make it look better.

Steve

Mark Patrick Anderson · April 5th, 2007, 03:48 PM

The American Cinematographer's Manual and cinematographers for years have guidelines set forth for panning speeds at 24p. You'd be surprised how slow one needs to pan according to those charts! Yes, the "judder" is quite normal and when properly controlled yields that dreamy movie "look".

Adam McGilvray · April 5th, 2007, 04:50 PM

Nice footage. I think 24P vs 60i will be debated forever, much like 1080i vs 720p is with HD broadcasts now.

I've shot a little of both with my HV20 and I prefer the 24P although I'm sure there are situations where I would go 60i. The deal breaker for me is the better low light performance of 24P. If you keep in mind the limitations of 24P (smooth camera movement) - or just plan to edit the heck out of your video anyway - that is my preference. But the quality is really staggering either way with this little monster.

Stefan Hartmann · April 6th, 2007, 10:50 AM

Hi Jacob,
can you please shoot again something in 24p Mode and upload again to
megaupload.com ?
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

Cole McDonald · April 6th, 2007, 11:45 AM

I'd almost like to see someone setup two identical cameras next to one another and record the same scene in 30p and 24p to see what the difference really is.

Fergus Anderson · April 6th, 2007, 12:18 PM

sadly the hv20 doesnt shoot 30p

Jacob Carter · April 6th, 2007, 01:25 PM

Correct, the HV20 does not do 30p. :(

As requested, here is the same scene shot twice. Once in 24p, and once in 60i.

Here is the link for the 60i clip:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64D3S0LC

Here is the link shot in 24p: I removed the pulldown in this clip with Cineform trial version.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KNE8UMG8

To me, the 60i clip pans so much smoother and is easier for a newbie like me to shoot.

Does the 24p clip look normal to you? I mean, is it supposed to jump around like that?

Jacob Carter · April 7th, 2007, 05:14 PM

I just realized something. I wonder if my computer is not showing the video correctly.

I do not own a HDTV yet, so I can only play back the movies on my 22" widescreen PC monitor.

Is it possible that my computer screen would display 24p differently then 60i?

Stefan Hartmann · April 7th, 2007, 06:18 PM

Jacob, I tested now the 24 p Version.
Plays very smooth on my P4 laptop
with 1400x1050 screen size, if I use the virtual 1920x1080x32 Bit
mode with my ATI driver and in fullscreen mode with Mediaplayer Classic.

It has got nice motion blurr, so the panning is not very shaky !

But compared to the Baseball 24p clip Chris posted in the other thread, you can see there, that the pulldown into 60i makes the 24p clips very shaky !

So one really must remove the pulldown to get a good playing movie !

I wonder, if the HV20 is a bit unsharper than the HV10 ?
I have seen much sharper detailed HV10 clips already and the HV20
seems a bit more blurry all in all ?
Could this be ? or is it just an imperfection of the autofocus mode ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S:Am currently downloading the 60i version and will compare it later.

Stefan Hartmann · April 7th, 2007, 06:32 PM

Hmm,
now the 60i Version is still much more shaky than the 24 p
version on my Laptop, also with a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 !

Maybe Mediaplayer Classic can not handle so fast panning
with this MPEG-2 codec ?

Cole McDonald · April 7th, 2007, 07:53 PM

This camera is just about good enough to make me ok giving up a manual focus ring...but not quite...I'll hold out for my HD100ish...dang it!

I'd love to play with one though to see how I could push it...$1k is a great price point for footage that pretty!

Jacob Carter · April 7th, 2007, 09:18 PM

Stefan, the 24p clip looks smoother then the 60i clip for you?

I am really starting to think it is my PC then.

I am running a P4 3.0 Ghz with 1.5GB of RAM. I also have a Nvidia Geforce 7800GT with purevideo encoder.

This video card handles all of the decoding on HDV vids, so I know it is not that my CPU is bottoming out.

The funny thing is, when I watch the 24p clips, it almost looks like it is interlaced and I have the fields backwards. I do not see any interlaced lines, but it jumps around like an interlaced clip with the fields in reverse.

If I import the clip into VirtualDub, each frame looks correct until I play it.

April 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#1
Jacob Carter Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	HV20 Deer Clip This movie was shot from the side of the road in my car. I left the original soundtrack in the clip so you could all enjoy the moron that blew by me going at least 100mph. I am very new to video camera work, so I am always open for suggestions. Thanks! http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A24W6G4P

April 6th, 2007, 11:45 AM	#8
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	I'd almost like to see someone setup two identical cameras next to one another and record the same scene in 30p and 24p to see what the difference really is. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

April 7th, 2007, 07:53 PM	#14
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	This camera is just about good enough to make me ok giving up a manual focus ring...but not quite...I'll hold out for my HD100ish...dang it! I'd love to play with one though to see how I could push it...$1k is a great price point for footage that pretty! __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

April 5th, 2007, 11:44 AM	#2
Mark Patrick Anderson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 20	This looks like it was shot at 1080i, 30fps. That's fine but I would take advantage of the uniqueness of the 24fps that the Canon offers. Try setting your cam on the 24fps setting. You have the perfect cam for nature shots like this and the deer footage is very "peaceful". Make sure you have the OIS set to on and be careful when zoomed in to keep the cam steady (one of the drawbacks of small, lightweight, cameras!). Very nice and thanks for sharing your footage!

April 5th, 2007, 02:32 PM	#3
Jacob Carter Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Thanks for your feedback. I am not sure if I like the 24p feature yet or not. The picture looks jerky to me when panning. Is this normal?

April 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM	#4
Steve Szudzik Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 103	That's been my experience with it so far, but I haven't played with it all that much. I'm a complete novice too, so I certainly don't know all of the tricks that could be employed to make it look better. Steve

April 5th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#5
Mark Patrick Anderson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 20	The American Cinematographer's Manual and cinematographers for years have guidelines set forth for panning speeds at 24p. You'd be surprised how slow one needs to pan according to those charts! Yes, the "judder" is quite normal and when properly controlled yields that dreamy movie "look".

April 5th, 2007, 04:50 PM	#6
Adam McGilvray New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 10	Nice footage. I think 24P vs 60i will be debated forever, much like 1080i vs 720p is with HD broadcasts now. I've shot a little of both with my HV20 and I prefer the 24P although I'm sure there are situations where I would go 60i. The deal breaker for me is the better low light performance of 24P. If you keep in mind the limitations of 24P (smooth camera movement) - or just plan to edit the heck out of your video anyway - that is my preference. But the quality is really staggering either way with this little monster.

April 6th, 2007, 10:50 AM	#7
Stefan Hartmann Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 46	Hi Jacob, can you please shoot again something in 24p Mode and upload again to megaupload.com ? Many thanks in advance. Regards, Stefan.

April 6th, 2007, 12:18 PM	#9
Fergus Anderson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 321	sadly the hv20 doesnt shoot 30p

April 6th, 2007, 01:25 PM	#10
Jacob Carter Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Correct, the HV20 does not do 30p. :( As requested, here is the same scene shot twice. Once in 24p, and once in 60i. Here is the link for the 60i clip: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64D3S0LC Here is the link shot in 24p: I removed the pulldown in this clip with Cineform trial version. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KNE8UMG8 To me, the 60i clip pans so much smoother and is easier for a newbie like me to shoot. Does the 24p clip look normal to you? I mean, is it supposed to jump around like that?

April 7th, 2007, 05:14 PM	#11
Jacob Carter Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	I just realized something. I wonder if my computer is not showing the video correctly. I do not own a HDTV yet, so I can only play back the movies on my 22" widescreen PC monitor. Is it possible that my computer screen would display 24p differently then 60i?

April 7th, 2007, 06:18 PM	#12
Stefan Hartmann Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 46	Jacob, I tested now the 24 p Version. Plays very smooth on my P4 laptop with 1400x1050 screen size, if I use the virtual 1920x1080x32 Bit mode with my ATI driver and in fullscreen mode with Mediaplayer Classic. It has got nice motion blurr, so the panning is not very shaky ! But compared to the Baseball 24p clip Chris posted in the other thread, you can see there, that the pulldown into 60i makes the 24p clips very shaky ! So one really must remove the pulldown to get a good playing movie ! I wonder, if the HV20 is a bit unsharper than the HV10 ? I have seen much sharper detailed HV10 clips already and the HV20 seems a bit more blurry all in all ? Could this be ? or is it just an imperfection of the autofocus mode ? Many thanks. Regards, Stefan. P.S:Am currently downloading the 60i version and will compare it later.

April 7th, 2007, 06:32 PM	#13
Stefan Hartmann Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 46	Hmm, now the 60i Version is still much more shaky than the 24 p version on my Laptop, also with a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 ! Maybe Mediaplayer Classic can not handle so fast panning with this MPEG-2 codec ?

April 7th, 2007, 09:18 PM	#15
Jacob Carter Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Stefan, the 24p clip looks smoother then the 60i clip for you? I am really starting to think it is my PC then. I am running a P4 3.0 Ghz with 1.5GB of RAM. I also have a Nvidia Geforce 7800GT with purevideo encoder. This video card handles all of the decoding on HDV vids, so I know it is not that my CPU is bottoming out. The funny thing is, when I watch the 24p clips, it almost looks like it is interlaced and I have the fields backwards. I do not see any interlaced lines, but it jumps around like an interlaced clip with the fields in reverse. If I import the clip into VirtualDub, each frame looks correct until I play it.