HDMI to DVI

Patrick Jennings · March 24th, 2007, 09:34 PM

HDMI is basicaly a DVI signal.
Has anybody tried a simple HDMI to DVI adapter cable to plug in an LCD computer monitor?
does the resolution get scaled or is it full 1920x1080? does it work?

Tom Roper · March 24th, 2007, 11:52 PM

It will work. The problem that sometimes occur is a flaw in the design of some HDMI transmitters that causes highlight clipping, and black crush on certain DVI receiver chips. It's a widespread problem on Toshiba HD-DVD players. It's solved by using a monitor with HDMI input. Certain video processors IDVO, Lumagen etc., may have options for converting the PC 0-255 space to video 16-235, but those are expensive workarounds.

Leila Alkadi · March 27th, 2007, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Jennings

HDMI is basicaly a DVI signal.
Has anybody tried a simple HDMI to DVI adapter cable to plug in an LCD computer monitor?
does the resolution get scaled or is it full 1920x1080? does it work?

I was just about to ask a similar question...

I brought the HV20 back to the office today... all the
monitors are 20" LCDs with VGA and DVI input. (native
resolution 1680x1050) The monitor's manual claims that
it supported HD resolution. (but it's a computer monitor)

Using a HDMI-DVI cable, I plugged one end into the HV20
and the other to the monitor's DVI input. The picture
got scaled to 480i resolution. Not the sharp HD resolution,
but pretty good standard-def picture.

The HV20 and the monitor don't have an option to change
between 480, 720, or 1080...

Oh well... it was better than nothing...

Chris Swartz · June 25th, 2007, 01:41 PM

Hey guys,

Just trying to get my hdmi out of the HV20 to my Dell 24" LCD. I'm using a cable that converts HDMI to DVI-D.

It only outputs SD Video 720x480. The monitor resolution in the menu on the Dell says 720x480.

On the camera the menu item says HDMI out DVI. Is there a way to force it to output the full resolution, or is this just the way it is converting to DVI?

Anyone have experience with this. I'm also getting this problem with the intensity card, but it won't display anything out of it, not even 720x480 if I convert to DVI.

Component works out of the camera though.

Chris

John Hotze · June 25th, 2007, 02:25 PM

I thought I read somewhere that component is analog and can't compete in resolution to what HDMI can provide. Maybe someone can clear this up.

I used the same type of cable to connect my camera up to a 19" Acer we have where I work. I doubt that the Acer had better than a 12xx resolution. I have no idea what resolution it was receiving from the camera. I didn't know you could look at a menu setting on monitor to tell what resolution it was set at. Of course you can on a computer. I would have thought that the camera always outputs at the same resolution depending on whether you are in record or playback of the tape. I always assumed that the device connected to the camcorder downrezed to the highest it could display but that is just conjecture on my part. I wonder if there is a setting in your monitor to force a resolution.

Chris Soucy · June 25th, 2007, 02:39 PM

Chris,

You didn't say whether your Dell was one of the newer models with HDCP inbuilt. It is possible that the camera HDMI is expecting the monitor to indicate it is HDCP compliant, without which it will O/P only SD.

The difference between HDMI and DVI is only a different connector configuration and the absence of HDCP (tho' quite what a DVI device thinks of the embedded audio is an interesting question).

You might have to give me a bit more info on the Intensity card as I am utterly ignorant as to what it does or how.

CS

Chris Swartz · June 25th, 2007, 02:40 PM

Component can have as much resolution as HDMI. Both can have 1920x1080 resolution. The only difference I know of is that HDMI supports Progressive and Component only supports Interlaced video.

As for the Dell monitor, it is a full 1920 x1200 resolution monitor so it can handle anything this camera can throw at it pixel for pixel. That's why I spent the $$ on the monitor.

As it stands the camera will not output full 1920x1080 resolution out the HDMI port to the monitor. (I get it into the computer when hooked up via the Intensity card) The only resolution I can see on my monitor via the HDMI to DVI cable is 720x480.

Now when I hook component up to the monitor from the camera, I see the whole 1920x1080. Funny!

I'm probably going to have to buy a new monitor with native HDMI or just move up to the Intensity Pro.

Chris

Chris Soucy · June 25th, 2007, 02:43 PM

Just to clarify that second paragraph - should be "was" not "is". Dell (and possibly others) are starting to incorporate HDCP in their big screens to work with HDMI enabled graphics cards.

CS

Chris Swartz · June 25th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Chris,

I have an older version of the Dell monitor without HDCP so I'll try that monitor and see what happens. Your answers sounds like a good explanation to me. The newer Dell has better color, but I'm sure the older one will be fine. I'll let you know.

As for Intensity, it is an HDMI capture card from Decklink. It allows you to capture full bandwidth HD video (8 bit 1080i) pre camcorder compression, so no crappy HDV compression. They supply a motion Jpeg compression as well as uncompressed capture, if your drives can handle it. You can also use third party compression like Cineform. I'm using all of them with great results so far, but working through some of the limitations of "indie" gear ie cheap. Still amazing what it can do. Oh BTW the Intensity also allows HD preview in Premiere Pro and After Effects to a HD monitor so you can do more critical work.

Chris

Chris Swartz · June 25th, 2007, 03:02 PM

Good try Chris but no Cigar.

I tried the older version of the Dell 24" LCD and still the same response, only 720x480 out to the monitor. Now I know you are right about the newer monitor having HDCP, and I'm about 99.9% sure that the older one doesn't have it, so I definitely think it has to do with the cable conversion and the camera. The camera needs to see something on the other end (HDMI Spec) or it only defaults to 720x480.

thanks,

Chris

Chris Soucy · June 25th, 2007, 03:20 PM

I think we were talking at cross purposes - I was proposing that maybe you were using the older model to start with. If it was one of the new ones WITH HDCP then I'm stumped as to why it won't give you full 1920 X 1080.

Still, if you Google "HDMI connection problem" you'll find page after page of instances where perfectly (supposedly) good HDMI O/P's won't talk to HDMI I/P's.

DVI off my laptop to my Sony Bravia works a treat, the DVI out on my desktop won't even raise a belch! Go figure.

CS

Paul V Doherty · July 9th, 2007, 07:14 PM

Here's the setup:

HV20 HDMI output to DVI via HDMI-to-DVI cable

Tried this on several Pioneer Plasmas (industrial models WXGA resolution) and Sony XGA LCD projectors... result is always VGA resolution on the DVI input.
Analogue component 1080i works perfectly with abovementioned displays.
Tried every combination and permutation of power-up and connection sequences.

Any suggestions?

It would be nice to utilise the many DVI capable WXGA displays out there... after all, it's *almost* full HD resolution

Chris Hurd · July 10th, 2007, 06:57 AM

From page 69 of HV20 operator's manual:... Correct operation cannot be guaranteed when connecting the camcorder to DVI monitors (just merged three separate threads together covering this topic).

Nathan Shane · July 10th, 2007, 07:55 AM

I got a Olevia HDTV 27" this past weekend and connecting the HV20 to it via HDMI and checking the display settings on the tv shows that it's receiving 1080i.

Thomas Smet · July 10th, 2007, 08:11 AM

Chris Hurd is correct. Using a HDMI to DVI adapter is kind of hit and miss. HDMI sometimes doesn't like to be converted to DVI with some devices.

The HV20 is designed to hook up directly to HDMI devices and anything in between we are on our own. For any display devices that do not have HDMI I would just use component. Chances are a display that does not have HDMI will be older so I doubt you would really notice any better of a picture by using HDMI anyway.

This does however kill off using computer monitors as a HDTV unless that monitor has component inputs.

March 24th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#1
Patrick Jennings New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 18	HDMI to DVI and the HV20 HDMI is basicaly a DVI signal. Has anybody tried a simple HDMI to DVI adapter cable to plug in an LCD computer monitor? does the resolution get scaled or is it full 1920x1080? does it work?

June 25th, 2007, 01:41 PM	#4
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	HDMI to DVI - output is VGA only Hey guys, Just trying to get my hdmi out of the HV20 to my Dell 24" LCD. I'm using a cable that converts HDMI to DVI-D. It only outputs SD Video 720x480. The monitor resolution in the menu on the Dell says 720x480. On the camera the menu item says HDMI out DVI. Is there a way to force it to output the full resolution, or is this just the way it is converting to DVI? Anyone have experience with this. I'm also getting this problem with the intensity card, but it won't display anything out of it, not even 720x480 if I convert to DVI. Component works out of the camera though. Chris

June 25th, 2007, 02:39 PM	#6
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,682 Images: 18	Hi Chris.......... Chris, You didn't say whether your Dell was one of the newer models with HDCP inbuilt. It is possible that the camera HDMI is expecting the monitor to indicate it is HDCP compliant, without which it will O/P only SD. The difference between HDMI and DVI is only a different connector configuration and the absence of HDCP (tho' quite what a DVI device thinks of the embedded audio is an interesting question). You might have to give me a bit more info on the Intensity card as I am utterly ignorant as to what it does or how. CS

June 25th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#8
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,682 Images: 18	Whoops..... Just to clarify that second paragraph - should be "was" not "is". Dell (and possibly others) are starting to incorporate HDCP in their big screens to work with HDMI enabled graphics cards. CS

June 25th, 2007, 03:20 PM	#11
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,682 Images: 18	Sorry........... I think we were talking at cross purposes - I was proposing that maybe you were using the older model to start with. If it was one of the new ones WITH HDCP then I'm stumped as to why it won't give you full 1920 X 1080. Still, if you Google "HDMI connection problem" you'll find page after page of instances where perfectly (supposedly) good HDMI O/P's won't talk to HDMI I/P's. DVI off my laptop to my Sony Bravia works a treat, the DVI out on my desktop won't even raise a belch! Go figure. CS Last edited by Chris Soucy; June 25th, 2007 at 03:21 PM. Reason: Finger trouble - again.

March 24th, 2007, 11:52 PM	#2
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	It will work. The problem that sometimes occur is a flaw in the design of some HDMI transmitters that causes highlight clipping, and black crush on certain DVI receiver chips. It's a widespread problem on Toshiba HD-DVD players. It's solved by using a monitor with HDMI input. Certain video processors IDVO, Lumagen etc., may have options for converting the PC 0-255 space to video 16-235, but those are expensive workarounds.

June 25th, 2007, 02:25 PM	#5
John Hotze Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri Posts: 129	I thought I read somewhere that component is analog and can't compete in resolution to what HDMI can provide. Maybe someone can clear this up. I used the same type of cable to connect my camera up to a 19" Acer we have where I work. I doubt that the Acer had better than a 12xx resolution. I have no idea what resolution it was receiving from the camera. I didn't know you could look at a menu setting on monitor to tell what resolution it was set at. Of course you can on a computer. I would have thought that the camera always outputs at the same resolution depending on whether you are in record or playback of the tape. I always assumed that the device connected to the camcorder downrezed to the highest it could display but that is just conjecture on my part. I wonder if there is a setting in your monitor to force a resolution.

June 25th, 2007, 02:40 PM	#7
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Component can have as much resolution as HDMI. Both can have 1920x1080 resolution. The only difference I know of is that HDMI supports Progressive and Component only supports Interlaced video. As for the Dell monitor, it is a full 1920 x1200 resolution monitor so it can handle anything this camera can throw at it pixel for pixel. That's why I spent the $$ on the monitor. As it stands the camera will not output full 1920x1080 resolution out the HDMI port to the monitor. (I get it into the computer when hooked up via the Intensity card) The only resolution I can see on my monitor via the HDMI to DVI cable is 720x480. Now when I hook component up to the monitor from the camera, I see the whole 1920x1080. Funny! I'm probably going to have to buy a new monitor with native HDMI or just move up to the Intensity Pro. Chris

June 25th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#9
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Chris, I have an older version of the Dell monitor without HDCP so I'll try that monitor and see what happens. Your answers sounds like a good explanation to me. The newer Dell has better color, but I'm sure the older one will be fine. I'll let you know. As for Intensity, it is an HDMI capture card from Decklink. It allows you to capture full bandwidth HD video (8 bit 1080i) pre camcorder compression, so no crappy HDV compression. They supply a motion Jpeg compression as well as uncompressed capture, if your drives can handle it. You can also use third party compression like Cineform. I'm using all of them with great results so far, but working through some of the limitations of "indie" gear ie cheap. Still amazing what it can do. Oh BTW the Intensity also allows HD preview in Premiere Pro and After Effects to a HD monitor so you can do more critical work. Chris

June 25th, 2007, 03:02 PM	#10
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Good try Chris but no Cigar. I tried the older version of the Dell 24" LCD and still the same response, only 720x480 out to the monitor. Now I know you are right about the newer monitor having HDCP, and I'm about 99.9% sure that the older one doesn't have it, so I definitely think it has to do with the cable conversion and the camera. The camera needs to see something on the other end (HDMI Spec) or it only defaults to 720x480. thanks, Chris

July 9th, 2007, 07:14 PM	#12
Paul V Doherty Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 64	HDMI to DVI - output is VGA only Here's the setup: HV20 HDMI output to DVI via HDMI-to-DVI cable Tried this on several Pioneer Plasmas (industrial models WXGA resolution) and Sony XGA LCD projectors... result is always VGA resolution on the DVI input. Analogue component 1080i works perfectly with abovementioned displays. Tried every combination and permutation of power-up and connection sequences. Any suggestions? It would be nice to utilise the many DVI capable WXGA displays out there... after all, it's almost full HD resolution

July 10th, 2007, 06:57 AM	#13
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	From page 69 of HV20 operator's manual:... Correct operation cannot be guaranteed when connecting the camcorder to DVI monitors (just merged three separate threads together covering this topic). __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 10th, 2007, 07:55 AM	#14
Nathan Shane Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Addison, Texas Posts: 178	I got a Olevia HDTV 27" this past weekend and connecting the HV20 to it via HDMI and checking the display settings on the tv shows that it's receiving 1080i.

July 10th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#15
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Chris Hurd is correct. Using a HDMI to DVI adapter is kind of hit and miss. HDMI sometimes doesn't like to be converted to DVI with some devices. The HV20 is designed to hook up directly to HDMI devices and anything in between we are on our own. For any display devices that do not have HDMI I would just use component. Chances are a display that does not have HDMI will be older so I doubt you would really notice any better of a picture by using HDMI anyway. This does however kill off using computer monitors as a HDTV unless that monitor has component inputs.