HV20 is not a color camera at DVinfo.net

Joseph H. Moore · July 26th, 2007, 08:37 AM

I can't believe all of you so-called "professionals" aren't complaing about this.

I've been a professional photographer for the last 100+ years (before color emulsions!) and I just put down my Kodak Brownie long enough to edit some HV20 footage.

Imagine my dismay to learn that the HV20 only records half the color resolution compared to the luminence detail! Canon hides this fact calling it "4:2:0" ... whatever *that* means!?!

I want my money back, and I think that Canon should have to buy me a Viper and a 16 TB array so that I can properly record my daughter's friend's cousin's Bar Mitzva.

P.S. I've heard rumors that to fit the image on tape, Canon is also throwing away parts of the image, something that their marketing department is calling "MPEG2 compression". I'm investigating this obvious fraud, as well.

:-) Tongue firmly in cheek,
Joe

Stefan Szabo · July 26th, 2007, 09:13 AM

4:2:0 color res is not Canon's fault, it the nature of the HDV format. Same thing with MPEG2 compression. Canon's done very well as far as picture quality compared to any other sub-$3000 camera. Don't be so quick to judge. ;)

Ian G. Thompson · July 26th, 2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan Szabo

4:2:0 color res is not Canon's fault, it the nature of the HDV format. Same thing with MPEG2 compression. Canon's done very well as far as picture quality compared to any other sub-$3000 camera. Don't be so quick to judge. ;)

Stefan, I think he's just kidding but you are absolutely correct.

Joseph H. Moore · July 26th, 2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

:-) Tongue firmly in cheek,
Joe

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=99792

Ian G. Thompson · July 26th, 2007, 09:49 AM

And...it IS...REAL...24P. That thread is very misleading.

Chris Barcellos · July 26th, 2007, 02:23 PM

Yes. All of you that have been taken, please send me your camera, since it is worthless. I'll try to work through all the disabilities...... and use them for a multicamera shoot..... :)

Ian G. Thompson · July 26th, 2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Yes. All of you that have been taken, please send me your camera, since it is worthless. I'll try to work through all the disabilities...... and use them for a multicamera shoot..... :)

LOL...just doing your civic duty I suppose!!!

Joseph H. Moore · July 26th, 2007, 02:28 PM

No, no, you should join my class action law suit. We're all gonna go over to the head of Canon USA's house one night and "toilet paper" his yard with DV tape. ;-)

Stefan Szabo · July 26th, 2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph H. Moore

...I've been a professional photographer for the last 100+ years (before color emulsions!) and I just put down my Kodak Brownie long enough to edit some HV20 footage....
Joe

WHoooaaa!!! 100+ years! Good god man... How old are you??? You have got to tell me your secret!!!! :)

Chris Barcellos · July 26th, 2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian G. Thompson

LOL...just doing your civic duty I suppose!!!

Yeap,,, it is my duty....

Joseph H. Moore · July 26th, 2007, 04:41 PM

The secret to my longevity is a steady diet or cigars, whiskey and placental fluids.

Ian G. Thompson · July 26th, 2007, 05:10 PM

Ok um....I think I just threw up internally....:-P

Chris Hurd · July 26th, 2007, 05:27 PM

Okay it was funny until it got gross. We get the point. Case closed,

July 26th, 2007, 08:37 AM	#1
Joseph H. Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 362	HV20 is not a color camera I can't believe all of you so-called "professionals" aren't complaing about this. I've been a professional photographer for the last 100+ years (before color emulsions!) and I just put down my Kodak Brownie long enough to edit some HV20 footage. Imagine my dismay to learn that the HV20 only records half the color resolution compared to the luminence detail! Canon hides this fact calling it "4:2:0" ... whatever that means!?! I want my money back, and I think that Canon should have to buy me a Viper and a 16 TB array so that I can properly record my daughter's friend's cousin's Bar Mitzva. P.S. I've heard rumors that to fit the image on tape, Canon is also throwing away parts of the image, something that their marketing department is calling "MPEG2 compression". I'm investigating this obvious fraud, as well. :-) Tongue firmly in cheek, Joe Last edited by Joseph H. Moore; July 26th, 2007 at 09:22 AM.

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Stefan Szabo New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrison, AR Posts: 17	Nature of HDV 4:2:0 color res is not Canon's fault, it the nature of the HDV format. Same thing with MPEG2 compression. Canon's done very well as far as picture quality compared to any other sub-$3000 camera. Don't be so quick to judge. ;)

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Joseph H. Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 362	No, no, you should join my class action law suit. We're all gonna go over to the head of Canon USA's house one night and "toilet paper" his yard with DV tape. ;-)

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