Yeah, that's it... Where can I get one of those? :-P

Hmmm. Sounds like a business deal... I could order a truck load of HV10's, gut'em and glue them into shoeboxes and sell for $1500 or more... : )

HV10 question - timely!
 

Hey all,

Going to buy this to use as a deck with my soon-to-be-ordered XH-A1, have one big question - can this camera be set to downcovert HDV material from the A1 and play it out as DV?

I edit in dv, deliver in dvcam, so this is a biggie.

Looking to purchase tomorrow or Thurs., so any HV10 users who can help me out, much appreciated.

Thanks,

Stu

Yes, page 34 of the manual which you can download at:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=14059

Thanks Jerome (hadn't even thought of the manual).

24f/30f: do you need a special deck to play this?
 

What kind of deck do you use to feed an NLE if you shoot in 30f/24f? The interlaced Sony HDV decks or the progressive JVC HDV deck?

Neither. Use the Canon HV10 consumer HV10 camcorder as a playback deck. It's the only thing other than an XL H1 or XH A1 / G1 that can play back 24F or 30F video. There's about a dozen threads about this already, so look to those discussions for the specific details. Hope this helps,

Capturing A1 footage with HV10?
 

I am planning to capture my A1 footage using the HV10 as playback "deck". Are there any objections against this?

It seems to be the standard workflow. Just got my hv10, it's a great little cam and pretty robust as a feeder deck (tested sd dv material ingested into FCP). My A1 is on its way, so I haven't done it first hand, but I did my homework and many people use it as a feeder deck for the A1, which seems to be Canon's intent, as it does play out Canon's 24f format, though it will not shoot in it.

It plays Frame mode and supports 4-channel audio playback as well. As has been stated on this forum numerous times already, it's the closest thing to a feeder deck that you can get.

WOW!!! It plays it but doesn't shoot in 24f... now that is brilliant of them imo. For significantely less then the cost of an HDV deck, you have a 24F deck that doubles as a killer b-roll/b-cam/vacation cam. *Slowly releasing the grip of my beloved HC1*... :)

I'm still wondering about how mastering an entire short/feature back to tape and playing the content via Component out would fair. I mean, you'd literally be playing back the project via a Hi-Def signal, right?

^^

Yes and imo it looks killer in 1080i. One of the first things EVERYONE says when wathcing one of my finshsed products in 1080i is 'LOOK @ THE QUALITY'!

Of cousre I keep my workflow simple and NEVER go beyond 1 generation of degradation.

Works fine as a deck for my G1. I just shot some stuff today, and was happy not having to break down the cam to capture. Just grabbed the tape and headed to the edit bay. The HV10's small footprint on my crowded desk was a blessing as well. Taking up no more space than and empty big mac container... maybe I should clean up around here... nah.

So most of you are having good luck with this little guy? I know the theoretical abililities of it, but in my short experience the unit was unstable for capturing. What I mean is it would stop playing a lot. I had 2 one hour long tapes to capture and I would leave the room 10 minutes into a capture and come back and it would have mysteriously stopped completely. The capture app (Cineform HDlink) was still running and waiting for a bitstream but the camera was stopped. I couldn't get more than 10-12 monites to capture without it stopping.This happened repeatedly for 3-4 hours until I finally decided to capture with the A1, which worked flawlessly.

I ended up going back to an XL-H1 so I had to return the A1 and HV10.

I am still on the fence about getting another HV-10 because of this. But it sounds promising that you are all having success. Maybe I just had a bad one.

Peace!

yeah Marty, mine did this too yesterday whilst playing out to a DVD burner - just stopped for no reason every so often. and it didn't do it every time either, what could this be? has anyone else had this?

I'm gonna wait for the HV20. It will be able to shoot 24p.

Any HDV decks work with A1?
 

We're looking to buy an A1, but are there any HDV decks that work with it completely right now (in both 60i, 24f, 30f)? I haven't found any yet. I see four potential options right now...

1. Just use the A1 as a deck. Disadvantage: wears out heads.

2. Buy a HV20 and use it as a deck instead. Not an ideal work environment, but I'd have a small, compact B-camera. $1099.

3. Buy the FireStore FS-C. Recognizes and records 60i, 30f, 24f video, correct? At least it will with the 2.1 firmware upgrade. Advantage: Tape-less work-flow. No capturing. $1249 for 60GB (4.5 hours of HDV).

4. Buy Sony's HVR-M15U deck for $1799. It will capture 60i, not 24f or 30f. Buy some other deck that's out there that works with 24f and 30f, and I just don't know about it? Or are there none?

Does this all sound correct? Are there any other options?

Frequently asked, Bryan. Please refer to several other existing threads which already discuss this exact topic, and post any replies to those specific threads. Many people choose option #2.

Best Cheap HDV cam to use as A1 VCR?
 

I plan to shoot about 50 hours of tape, is it okay to use my A1 as a VCR for video capture, or should I invest in a seperate cam? I can't afford a tape deck, but I was wondering if the Canon HV20 is a good VCR cam for the A1? Will it be able to handle the stream without dropping frames?

Thanks

50 hours will not but a big strain on your A1. But if you plan on keeping it awhile and shoot lots of footage you migh consider getting the HV20 as a deck and B camera. I own both and use the HV20 to edit. It captures footage, including the A1's 24f, with no problems.

To keep the hours to a minimum use "capture now" as opposed to "batch capture" to capture a whole tape. You cand then delete the footage you don't need from you NLE.

I am also using the HV20 as B cam and to capture even from Sony cams. The difference is that I capture component out to DVCPRO HD codec. It is just easier on multi-cam shoot.

If you're shooting 24P HDV with your XH A1, there is no deck, so you have to buy either the HV10 or HV20 if you don't want to load footage with the XH A1. I personally would go for the 20 because it also does 24p and there might be times you'd want a smaller, lighter and less conspicuous camera.

It's not all that bad to use your camera as a deck if you do it sparingly, and 50 tapes isn't all that much. I also think it's easier on the camera if you capture in one pass. If you're using FCP, latest version, you can do that and FCP will magically divide it into individual clips for you. So, instead of going through the tape, setting an in and out point for the first clip, rewinding, cueing, playing, stopping, recueing, then going to the next clip...what you do is just set an in point at the beginning and an out point at the end and capture it all. You can then name your clips after they're captured. If you have 50 takes on a tape, the camera is going to be stopping and starting about 100 times using traditional capture. By doing the whole tape, you save a lot of mechanical wear.

Or you could purchase something like a Firestore.
Footage transfers to computer then takes minuets instead of Hours, and you have the tapes as a backup.

using HV10 or HV20 as deck
 

2 Questions:
1. Will the HV10 playback over firewire 24f mode from tapes made on the A1?
2. For tapes recorded with the A1's 24f mode, if played back on the HV20 (or Hv10) how does it come across firewire on capture as 24p or 24p with the HV20's strange pulldown. (OK, maybe it's not strange, just difficult to work with in FCP in a 24p timeline.)

Rick

I have an A1 and an HV20. 24f from the A1 plays just fine on the HV20 and inputs to FCP as 24p 23.98fps just like it would from the A1. no problems

Good to hear that. That's what it's supposed to do, but it's nice to hear it for sure from a user.

i concur! hv20.

however, on down-converting or hdv importing it does not split scenes in Vegas.

anyone else? for importing HDV, I have been using HDV split.
Cineform NEO does not detect scene splits either.

Anyway, as a deck it's fine and you get a camera too.

A1 as deck for HV20
 

What happens when you play back a tape recorded on the HV20 in 24p on the A1? Do you still get the pull down that is difficult to extract to no pull down 24p?

Rick

sony HVRM25U deck w/ XH-A1?
 

Anyone using this deck w/ the XHA1? Any problems or issues playing all resolutions/frame rates etc?

Frequently asked. Please search before posting.

All Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080i60 video.

However no Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080p24 or 1080p30 video (otherwise known as Frame mode or 24F and 30F). If you don't want to use your XH-A1 or G1 as a deck, then you'll need a Canon HV10 or HV20 consumer HDV camcorder to play back Frame mode 24F and 30F video. Hope this helps,

HV10 as deck--any problems?
 

I've seen some posts of people using the HV20 as a deck. I'm wondering if there's anybody using the HV10 and if it functions OK with FCP and with the XH A1's 24f footage. I know the camera plays back all Canon frame rates, but I wonder how it works in actual use with FCP--ie., has anybody had one for a few months and been using it with no difficulties?

Nobody using this?

I have not tested this but I believe there have been no issues around using the HV10 as a full deck.

I'm just trying to get confirmation from somebody who is actually using to load 24p footage into FCP.

Bill, I use HV-10 for this with no problems at all... so I would think the HV-20 could as well, if not a tad more robust :)

Bill

Hi, I have a question concerning this,
can't I just use any regular cheap SD camcorder to upload my HDV tape to computer?
It's digital, so it should be the same, no?

Thanks

Andris,

A regular SD camcorder reads/writes an AVI file and cannot read the MPEG format that HD camcorders use. If you want to use a cheaper camera as a deck for HD you must use an HD model. Along with that, you must use a camera/deck that can read the frame rate and format of the camera you are shooting with. "Standard' HD in the USA for cameras (at this level) is 60i and most cameras will be able to read each others tapes. In addition to this you have several aternate frame rates and file structures. For example, besides 24 frames/sec you have Sony and Canon with their own version of progressive footage and PAL cameras that use 50i and 25p, etc. At this point the only decks available for some of these frame rate/file structures are cameras made by the same manufacturer. That is the reason for the original posters question. He is shooting with a Canon camera and shooting Canons version of 24 frames/progressive footage (24f) and wants to know if the cheaper Canon camera that can also shoot/play 24f will read the tapes from the larger A1.

Thank you for the information, but it's quite an expensive solution if all you need is a deck. :(
I recently bought A1 and have been looking for a deck device.

I agree and I\'m in the same boat. With HDV consumer grade camcorders getting better and prices are falling, owning an older HV10 just for a deck is becoming more affordable. I remember when it was $1100, and now I\'ve seen them from authorized dealers as low as $750 brand new. Whats awesome is if you need a "b" camcorder for some hard to get shots you have a short term solution.