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-   -   Built-in mic seems loose? (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xh-series-hdv-camcorders/110771-built-mic-seems-loose.html)

Tom Roper November 5th, 2006 10:00 AM

Built-in mic seems loose?
 
Is it just mine? Or does the built in microphone seem loosely attached?

Dave Perry November 5th, 2006 10:07 AM

It's loosley attached as a means of absorbing vibration.

Herbert Bolander November 17th, 2006 06:40 PM

Does your A1's built-in microphone have a little free play?
 
Quick question regarding the built-in microphone.

It felt quite loose to me, or what I'd call a lot of freeplay. At the very tip of the mic, I can move it up and down roughly 1/4-inch.(which is a lot, as I can even see a gap between the rubber and the body)

Is this normal? If not, maybe I'll need to exchange it for another A1.

Thanks!

Jason Strongfield November 17th, 2006 07:04 PM

It is normal, so the mic can minimized vibrations from the movement of the camera.

Steve Nunez November 17th, 2006 07:50 PM

Yep- lots of wiggle!

Herbert Bolander November 17th, 2006 07:52 PM

Thanks!

I guess it's normal, then... :)

Chris Hurd November 17th, 2006 08:16 PM

Herbert, I'm sure you saw my earlier reply to the same question here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....40&postcount=7

"The built-in mic isn't loose, it's slightly flexible. And it's *supposed* to flex... that's not a bug, it's a feature. The built-in mic is shock mounted and is fully intended to give a little in both axes of rotation. Canon is to be applauded for doing that. And don't try to fix what ain't broken... you'll void your warranty!"

Gareth Trezise January 16th, 2007 03:39 AM

Loose Onboard Microphone
 
Is this right about the onboard microphone? I cant find much on the forum about it. I have just received my A1 & was surprised the onboard microphone has some movement! Is everyone's like this? Nothing mentioned in the manual of what I have read so far.

Thanks.

Alex Leith January 16th, 2007 03:46 AM

Don't worry - it's normal.

Toenis Liivamaegi January 16th, 2007 03:47 AM

My A1`s is loose too. I`ve seen several post about it and it seems normal.

T

Gareth Trezise January 16th, 2007 04:34 AM

Okay. Thanks very much. That's good enough for me. Just didn't notice it when I looked at one before buying. A bit of a surprise. My only concern was how much pressure it could take when transporting in a camera bag. I guess it must be okay or someone else would have said something by now.

Thanks again.

G

Chris Hurd January 16th, 2007 07:30 AM

It's not "loose." It's a shock-mount. Very much intentionally built that way.

Philip Williams January 16th, 2007 12:09 PM

When the XH A1 first came out, the "loose microphone" inquiries started to remind of the DVX with its "clunking lens" questions.

Chris Hurd January 16th, 2007 12:36 PM

Well there are two things on the A1 that remind me of that... one is the shock-mount for the mic and the other is the standby / lock button that prompts so many "my camera won't turn on!" posts. For what it's worth, that little detail stung me too, the first time I ever picked up an A1.

James Duffy January 16th, 2007 03:54 PM

And the "why are my images so grainy?" AGC switch posts.

Cal Bickford February 10th, 2007 03:59 AM

Loose onboard mic???
 
I just got m A1 today, I ordered it from B&H and it arrived in the most appaling packaging (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=86117). I must say I'm very dissapointed with B&H. They seem to have a good reputation, but do they just not care about their costumers unless they're studios spending 30k a year with them?? Anyways, my A1 seems fine except for the fact that the onboard mic is loose. I can jiggle the mic and where it is attached to the handle it has a fair amount of give. I was just wondering if this is normal on the A1 and I'm just paranoid b/c of the state the boxes were in when they arrived or if the camera might actually have sustained some damage. Any input is appreciated...

Piotr Wozniacki February 10th, 2007 04:02 AM

No worry, this is normal - it's "loose" for the proper shock absorption.

Jeff Rhode February 10th, 2007 04:37 AM

As Piotr pointed out it is just shock absorbtion and is normal on that camera. If the mic was mounted rigidly more handling and motor noise from the camera would be recorded.

B&H reputation comes more form the stock they have, the size of the store, and the prices. Last year alone we spent much more that you listed below and the treatment is pretty much the same. When it came time to get a demo of the new camera models they told us that they don't do that. Now I got a demo from a smaller local place that I feel I have to place an order with, but of course B&H has it in stock and it is cheaper.

Cal Bickford February 10th, 2007 06:18 AM

wow good to know that thats normal for the mic, I figured that it was but when I saw those mangled shipping boxes and careless interior packaging I just about had a heart attack and have been in uber paranoid mode ever since. As for B&H i guess its good to know they treat all of their customers' purchases like crap and not just mine lol....

Chris Hurd February 10th, 2007 01:32 PM

Obviously this has been a frequently asked question. I've merged several threads together as a result.

John Brinks February 11th, 2007 03:53 PM

Yeah, i noticed a lot of give, with the built in mic as well, i can see a space between the rubber and cam... i fact i was letting a friend of mine use it and she thought she had broken it!

Rolf Seitz February 15th, 2007 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
Woah -- hold on there! The built-in mic isn't loose, it's slightly flexible. And it's *supposed* to flex... that's not a bug, it's a feature. The built-in mic is shock mounted and is fully intended to give a little in both axes of rotation. Canon is to be applauded for doing that. And don't try to fix what ain't broken... you'll void your warranty!

A Guy here called Canon because of his loose mic, they said itīs NOT normal!
Anybody knows more about that?

Chris Hurd February 15th, 2007 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolf Seitz
A guy here called Canon because of his loose mic, they said it´s NOT normal!

Trust me... it is perfectly normal. Most likely what happened in this case is that the particular support person was not completely familiar with the XH series camera. Most support personnel tend to deal primarily with the lower end consumer camcorders, so an occasional mistake like this is not uncommon. Hope this helps,

Doblac Lubicic February 15th, 2007 12:11 PM

I`m sorry, but I am the guy who called Canon and the man on the Support told me:
"Please wait for a moment I`m just go to look at one XH A1 if it is normal... No I`m sorry I looked on it and it`s not normal. You can send it to our Supportcenter they`ll fix it."
The Support in Germany seems to have thier own Products to compare.

Chris Hurd February 15th, 2007 12:22 PM

Hi Doblac,

I am not doubting your report. But I can assure you that the support person gave you incorrect information. You should be able to move the built-in mic around just a little bit -- in fact the most amount of play is in a slight twisting motion around the long axis, as if the mic were a key in the ignition of a car.

Every single XH A1 or G1 coming off the assembly line is made this way on purpose. If you had access to twenty of these camcorders, you'll find the exact same amount of microphone free play in each and every one of them. This is an intentional part of the design.

Chris Hurd February 15th, 2007 12:45 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Video clip attached: A1 mic travel

If your A1 / G1 built-in mic moves as shown in this little video clip, then it should be considered normal... however, for anybody who wants to send their camcorder in for service because of this, I support you wholeheartedly -- but don't be surprised if you get it back unchanged, with a note saying "operating as designed."

Doblac Lubicic February 15th, 2007 01:21 PM

outch, thats exact the moving my Microfon do. I`m sorry for my panic.

Doblac Lubicic February 15th, 2007 01:59 PM

But one last question I have. Is the moving of your mic more smooth because of the rubber or is it loosely?

Larry Vaughn February 15th, 2007 08:03 PM

Loose microphone
 
It's a bit loose. I've found that the Canon technical info people sometimes have different opinions when asked about technical info.

Steve Ramsey March 23rd, 2007 08:37 AM

Built-in Mic Loose/Broken?
 
Hi Guys,
I've had an A1 for a couple of weeks now and done a very limited bit of shooting, paying attention to the controls and settings, etc... But, this morning I noticed that the built-in mic is really "wobbly" and "loose" feeling. To me, it feels like it's not on tigh enough, but I don't see any external screws to tighten myself. The problem seems to be between the mic housing itself and where it meets the body/frame of the cam where there is a rubber gasket/collar.

Is there something wrong here? Or, is this just an engineering feature to dampen rattling/movement noise to the built-in mic?

Of course, I was instantly bummed that something might already be broken on a 4,000 cam, but hopefully somebody has some good news!?!?

Thanks!

Don Palomaki March 23rd, 2007 08:42 AM

The mic is a bit wobbly / loose just naturally. That provides a bit of shock mounting to isolate it from camcorder handling noises. The retaining screws are inside.

Greg Boston March 23rd, 2007 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Ramsey (Post 646749)
Is there something wrong here? Or, is this just an engineering feature to dampen rattling/movement noise to the built-in mic?

You are correct. They started doing this with the XL2 to provide vibration isolation to keep camera noise from being coupled into the microphone.

-gb-

Steve Ramsey March 23rd, 2007 08:53 AM

Wow - you guys are fast on the replies!

Thank you so much for the info and putting my mind at rest. I only ever shoot with external or shotguns, so I never paid any attention to the mic in the first place - just made me nervous.

Thanks, guys - I owe you an {adult beverage}.

Chris Hurd March 23rd, 2007 09:03 AM

A frequently asked question. Merged into our existing "Mic Loose?" thread.

Michael Grayson April 9th, 2007 09:20 PM

Loose microphone on my A1
 
My mic mounting is very loose on my XH-A1...I noticed it when I got the cam but didn't pay much attention....now as I'm shooting more...it's abig deal...anybody else with this issue?

Bill Busby April 9th, 2007 09:36 PM

It's supposed to be that way. There's a thread somewhere here if you search.

Bill

*edit* Never mind, I see in the link now that 2 mic topics were merged

Chris Hurd April 9th, 2007 10:12 PM

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=89691

Please search first before asking questions.

Bill Busby April 9th, 2007 10:26 PM

Doh! I thought he was talking about the built-in mic. :-\

Bill

Bill Watson May 1st, 2007 06:25 PM

XHA1 onboard mic
 
G'day there.

I'm looking at the xha1 as my next camera.

Just one question at this stage. Does the onboard microphone come apart easily? Or at least the mike head? It feels like the head plugs in to the body(maybe) but I didn't want to try and remove it in front of the saleman in case I created an embarrasing 'you broke it, you buy it' scenario.

Bill Busby May 1st, 2007 06:39 PM

It's supposed to wiggle a little. It's just a bit of shock absorbtion. And not it's not supposed to "un-plug"

Bill


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