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Grazie

Nice stuff on your website but my french isnt' to good.

If Canon released a GL3 with similar/exact specs that the HDRFX1 has, but include xlr imputs, I would be sold on it.

agreed - similar to the FX1, but hopefully with the same 20x zoom range as the Gl2.

Let's not forget, Canon needs to add their 24F to it as well! That would definately sell me on it... Of course, getting to 24f in post works too, but Canon's built in 24F would be icing on the cake.

If and new GL3 came out, and more than likely it will be HDV/DV what is your best guess on the cost? I know that a tough guess, but make one anyway. $3,000?

I heard one rumor somewhere that the price of an HDV GL3 might be more like $4-5000, which makes sense given the pricing of the XLH1. If such a camera had XLR inputs and a 20X zoom lens it could be worth that much; if not it would be a tough sell compared to the FX1. But then images from the XLH1 look grainy in low light as is the case for other Canon video cameras, so I'm not sure I'd pay $5K for a GL3 if it has the same problem. Basically Sony has pretty much nailed what I need from an affordable HD camera and already gotten my money, along with who knows how many thousands of other videographers. At this point I'd rather wait for the FX2 than the GL3, and I'll just stick to Canon for still photography. (Love my Rebel XT.)

I wouldn't pay $5,000 either.

$5000 would have to be my top end price as well. Especially when looking at the Z1 or the HD100.

I think Canon will have to price an HDV GL at around 3K. Even at 4K it would be too close to the HD100 and Z1 and would need to have some compelling advantages. If I were to guess (something I do a lot of here in Area 51), I'd say the GL3/HDV will price at about 3-3.5K and compete with the FX1. Probably no 24F and maaaayyybee XLR inputs (love to be wrong on both counts though). Then to compete in the hot 5-6K market will come a stripped down XLH1, ie an XLH1 with no genlock, SDI, etc.. Just HDV recording and component output.

But hey, I'll probably be very happy with an Optura HDV.

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Okay, I'll guess an MSRP for the "GL-H1" of $3995, with the street price dropping toward $3K by mid 2007. No XLR inputs.

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With 20X zoom and 24F

Is it that big of a deal to put in XLR inputs?

It would be for me. I wouldn't be interested without XLR. It would make the camera more of Z1 rival though and probably up the price.

Maybe they could release a pro and consumer version, like the FX1 and Z1..?

I don't mean is it a big deal if you have them or not. I want them too. I mean is a big deal for Canon or Sony etc to put in XLR? Does it cost a lot to add them?

It probably costs them next to nothing to put them on. The only excuses I can see for not including them are maybe space limitations (which I don't even think count anymore because the Sony PDX10 has them and it's tiny) or because they don't want it to compete with more expensive cameras in the product line, which I also think isn't an excuse because every camera with a mic input should be using the XLR connector anyway.

Still the main thing I want is a 16:9 with XLR, 24p. It would be nice to have HDV but I don't really care right now. I just wish Canon would make a scaled down XL2. A XL2 Mini. Or a XL H1 mini.

I also want the smaller size. I still think there is a big market for this. Look at the Sonys! They are just missing the 24p on them. The Z1 is close.

If now got enough to get a $3,000 camera. With the rebate I could get a DVX100b, Sony A1U, FX1 and others but they all miss something. I'm I missing one?

My main goal is a doc and my someday a indie. I'm not doing it that soon so I still have time to wait.

And look how small the Sony A1U is and it has XLR input your right they could do it.

For me the FX1 offers the most for the price, and the lack of XLR inputs is easily solved by adding an adapter. If you really want built-in XLR the A1U would probably be my next choice, followed by a used Canon XL2.

P.S. I don't know why Canon doesn't offer XLR inputs on their GL line, but my guess is to maintain some distinction for their more expensive products.

I agree with you. I'm currently in the market for an XL2. I'm shooting at a summer camp for 2 months, for long hours during the day, all handheld. The XL2 is heavy, but unfortunately, the only camera to deliver 16:9, 24P (to be used on my other projects) and a 20x lens. If they could make a camera that's the same size/form as the DVX100 but with 16:9 and a longer lens (while keeping everything else, including sensor size, 1/3, the same, I'd buy it within the next 5 minutes.

I've always thought it would be a big seller. It probably won't happen now. It will have to be HDV/DV.

I was in a Apple store and saw some great video from a FX1

Bob, yes, yes it is.

All that detail. C'mon Mr Canon!

Grazie

It's a long ways to Japan.

Speaking about the XLR inputs....is there a discernible difference in the audio quality between cams with built-in XLR or those using adapters?

in terms of actual audio quality, I'd say no, but they usually sound better because they are less balanced which makes them less prone to interference from lights and stuff and they can also use phantom power which makes things a lot simpler.

So Andrew, which adapters would you recommend? Isn't this option cheaper than the high markup prices we see in the pro version cameras with built-in XLRs?

In all honesty, I haven't had very much experience with XLR adapters. Where I do most of my video work, we had an XL1 up until last year where we ended up getting an XL2, and since then, I've used the XL2 for most of the work. We often record audio completely seperate from the cameras then add it in post. As long as the cable going from the adapter to the camera is short, I don't see a reason why the quality would degrade. I have heard about issues dealing with phantom power since many of the adapers offer it, but don't actually give a full 48 volts of power, which means the mic operates at a lower level, introducing more noise. Other than that, from what I've heard around the board, Beachtech (did I spell it correctly?) makes some very good adapters. Depending on the camera you're using, you can get the adapter with a 1/8 inch (regular headphone size) output or dual RCA which I think is preferrable because it's more robust and the signals are fully seperate. In the end though, I think any cameras coming out for our section of the market will include XLR inputs as standard, since many new cameras already have them, and like I said, they're a lot better than the alternatives.

With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

Am I bovvered? Am I?
 

Yeh, but . .No, but, . . . Yeah but . . No but . . that would meeeen, guy, that 'ere in London it would be like £3500 - yeah? And that's like £1,000 more than a SONY FX1? Yeah . . . ? Hey guy! That's Minging!

We wont see it for what would be the exchange rate - £1750-ish. If it got here for something UNDER 2k, then it WOULD fly. But then that would place it ONLY £600 over the now exsisting XM2 - yeah?

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Grazie

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I guess there are a lot of people hoping to see if Canon has released a GL3.

An XL2 post said a major retailer (Zotz) dropped the camera price by 10% yesterday. Could this be an indicator that Canon may be introducing something to our wishes at NAB soon? I know I maybe reaching a bit here, but hey, it's Area 51!

I'm hoping we'll see dueling HDV camcorders between Sony and Canon at NAB.

I've been watching the Sony A1U and notice there are less and less on the market. Most of the authorized Sony dealers have stopped carrying them, Sony's Style site no longer lists them, pricegrabber.com only has 6 re-sellers, and that $500 rebate goes straight into NAB.

Betcha we see an A1U replacement to compete with anything Canon introduces.

Did the SonyStyle site ever list them? The A1 is part of the Pro lineup and that site is for consumer products. They don't sell the Z1, PDX-10 or PD-170, but do sell the HC1, HC3, FX1 and VX-2100. The A1 is still listed on Sony's pro website:

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...p=141&id=80897

And our sponsor B&H has them in stock if you want one:

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It would be very unusual for Sony to discontinue one of their pro cameras so quickly. I don't think the A1 has even been shipping for a full year yet, has it? People have been predicting the demise of the PDX-10 for a year now, and in Europe the Sony site says it was replaced by the A1, but it's still listed on Sony's US site and available at B&H. And that camera is about 4 years old.

OTOH, this wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong about Sony's marketing plans! ;-)

Whoops, that's right the A1U is from the Pro dept.

I keep forgetting it's actually the A1U/Z1U and the HC3/FX1 which are related. I'm so used to talking about the FX1 vs Z1U which don't match, in that sense.

And hopefully we'll be able to put the GLH1/XLH1 on the list too.