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Paul Chiappini July 28th, 2006 02:17 PM

Wide lens to be released as well...
 
Info is buried in article here:

http://www.creativemac.com/articles/...e.jsp?id=53375

Chris Hurd July 28th, 2006 02:44 PM

Info buried here as well: http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxh/watchdog.php

Zachary Breitenstein November 4th, 2006 06:42 PM

will an XL2 wide angle adapter work?
 
I have a century optics 72mm wide angle adapter with a bayonet mount that I use on my XL2. Does anyone know if that would work on the XH A1? gracias.

Garrison Hayes November 5th, 2006 07:14 AM

GL Series Camera...XL Series Camera
 
I'm not sure...one thing i'd recommend is finding out if the GL2's built in lens is 72mm (for filters) then go from there. My XL1 is, and i'm pretty sure my XL1 can take all the XL2 accessories (other than the viewfinder)...

Chris Hurd November 5th, 2006 08:44 AM

The GL lens is 58mm.

Garrison Hayes November 5th, 2006 08:57 AM

Gl
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
The GL lens is 58mm.

Wow...does anyone out there know how big a 3x Wide angle lens filter would be? i'm interested in buying one for my XL1...but i know if i should try to sell some of my filters to balance the cost. Being that i'd only need 1 or 2 of them for my current 16x lens.

Greg Boston November 5th, 2006 09:40 AM

The original poster asked about XL2, not GL2 to XHA1. He has a bayonet mount that mounts in place of the stock XL2 lens hood. The question would be whether the new XH series cameras have a bayonet mount lens hood and if so, is it the same diameter as the XL series lens hoods.

-gb-

Chris Hurd November 5th, 2006 09:42 AM

Quote:

does anyone out there know how big a 3x Wide angle lens filter would be?
The Canon XL 3x lens has a filter thread diameter of 72mm.

Chris Hurd November 5th, 2006 09:45 AM

The XH has a bayonet mount. It's up to somebody who has both XL and XH cams plus a 72mm wide angle adapter to try it out and report what they find.

Steven Glicker November 5th, 2006 12:27 PM

Wide Angle Adaptor for XH A1?
 
I'm looking for advice/insight on getting a wide angle adaptor for the XH A1. [Canon's WD-58H worked fine on my GL2 but those are gone and I'm starting anew.] I'd consider Canon's WD-H72 ($400.00) for the XH A1 but would like to hear about other options near-or-below that price.

Thanks in advance.

Chris Hurd November 5th, 2006 05:09 PM

Near or below that price? Not me. You get what you pay for in this business... $400 is the lowest amount I would consider paying for a WA adapter. In fact I'm having a hard time with this one being as inexpensive as it is.

Steven Glicker November 5th, 2006 08:51 PM

Alright... I now recall using the ($160.00) WD-58H indoors, fully zoomed-out, and seeing my window frame appear to be bulging -- no straight lines until zooming-in. I was surprized at this but it was not so noticeable outdoors where I did most of the shooting. This time around I'd like to have a decent WA adapter. Thanks.

Michael Padilla November 6th, 2006 06:03 PM

I will let you know when I get my Xh-a1's
As I have century optics zoom-through wide angle adapter & fisheye lenses for the XL2.

I pray it will work.. but I have ordered the wide lens adapter from canon just incase.

Bogdan Tyburczy November 6th, 2006 10:38 PM

I have just tested it with 0.6x Century Optics adapter which fit XL1 and XL2 perfectly, but surprisingly it does not fit XH A1 :(

However, I don't give up that easily and since the bayonet differences are minimal, I have modified the adapter. First, I disassembled it (which was very easy) and then widened one opening with precision file, just enough so it could be attached to the cam's bayonet. Then reassembled the adapter. It fits and works perfectly now :) The whole thing took about 10 minutes because I was extra careful. 0.6x adapter produces beautiful results with already sweet XH A1 wide angle and I can zoom in well beyond half the range.

This problem may or may not be an issue with other bayonet mount adapters, but I believe they can be modified as easily. Just be careful not to cause any damage to camera or adapter.

Disclaimer: attempt such modification at your own risk. Using dedicated 72mm wide angle adapter is recommended.

ps. I tried to post some pictures, but I don't have permission in this forum.

Chris Hurd November 6th, 2006 10:43 PM

Try again Bogdan... I think I've fixed your permissions. Look for "manage Attachments" in the Post Reply interface.

Bogdan Tyburczy November 6th, 2006 11:24 PM

2 Attachment(s)
It worked this time - thanks Chris.

The first picture shows the points at which the opening in the adapter had to be widened. Note: it shows reassembled adapter.

Second picture: just satisfaction :)

Chris Hurd November 6th, 2006 11:31 PM

Amazing. Does the Instant AF function work with this adapter? It looks like the IAF beam just might clear the barrel housing. Thanks for posting these.

Bogdan Tyburczy November 6th, 2006 11:50 PM

Instant AF is not reliable with wide angle adapter because any focal length modifier changes characteristics of optical path. Instant AF relies on direct distance measurement and it's designed for standard configuration.

Normal AF works fine.

Chris Hurd November 6th, 2006 11:56 PM

Thanks Bogdan,

You have a wonderfully informative and concise posting style. It's a pleasure to have you aboard here.

Whittling away on an expensive adapter takes guts. Glad to see that it worked out for you.

Holly Rognan November 7th, 2006 11:51 AM

Wide angle lens tests?
 
Has anyone put on any wide angle lenses yet?

How well do they work (barrel distortion, ghosting, CA)?

Also does the XH A1 have more or less CA compared to the XL H1?

Henry Cho November 7th, 2006 12:45 PM

bogdan, that's an awesome tip. now i regret getting rid of my adapter. in any case, thanks...

anyone who has an issue with taking a file to their adapter can send their adapters to century/schneider. they will change mounts on compatible adapters for the price of parts and labor. i imagine they'll have an xh mount sooner rather than later.

Marty Hudzik November 7th, 2006 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
$400 is the lowest amount I would consider paying for a WA adapter. In fact I'm having a hard time with this one being as inexpensive as it is.

2 questions....

1. Do you think the Canon WA is not up to snuff based on the price? Is this not as good of an adapter as say a "century optics .8x" ?

2. Will the Canon WA adapter for the A1/GI work on the H1? I think they are both 72mm mounts........

3. (I know I said 2 questions to start) Are there threads on the Canon to mount a filter in front of the WA lens?

Thanks! The cost of the Canon has me concerned about the quality myself so your input is highly valued.

Peace.

Zachary Breitenstein November 7th, 2006 10:40 PM

does the modified adapter still work with the XL2?
 
Bogdan,
Does the newly modified adapter still work with your XL2? Thanks for all of your work. peace.

Holly Rognan November 7th, 2006 11:00 PM

Thanks for taking the time doing this I really appreciate it. I was contemplating doing the same thing, and now that I know it works, I will give it a try.

Does it have significant barrrel distortion, considering that it already starts at a decent wide angle?

Also, can you notice a vast reduction in resolution, or is too minimal to care. (I am not really worried about the resolution drops as so much the FOV gained, but I am interested to see what you've noticed.)

Holly Rognan November 7th, 2006 11:01 PM

One more thing, would it be possible to post some grabs of stills showing the differences with it on and the point in which the zoom through looses capability?

Bogdan Tyburczy November 8th, 2006 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachary Breitenstein
Bogdan,
Does the newly modified adapter still work with your XL2? Thanks for all of your work. peace.

I don't have XL2 here to test it with, but with almost 100% confidence I can say it will fit XL2 and other XL cameras with stock lenses. It's just the way it attaches to the bayonet.

However, some of you may find the image quality unacceptable. Depends on how strict your requirements are. I will post some examples soon.

Bogdan Tyburczy November 8th, 2006 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Rognan
...
Does it have significant barrrel distortion, considering that it already starts at a decent wide angle?

Also, can you notice a vast reduction in resolution, or is too minimal to care.
...

No big surprise here. There is significant barrel distortion and loss of resolution near the edges, but it holds very well in the center.

Personally, I find it usable when extreme wide angle is more important than resolution for practical and/or artistic reasons. One more thing. It's 0.6x adapter (vs 0.75x in WD-H72 for example). It pushes the angle of view to the limit.

As far as critical zoom-in point is concerned, nothing surprising here either. It allows precise focusing as you zoom-in, until it doesn't :)

Definitely, WD-H72 promises better performance, but not so wide angle of view. If it proves to deliver pristine quality edge to edge, it will be worth $400 and I will go for it.

Some examples below. I did them in 30F and framed similarly so you could have better picture of distortion and resolution problems. Hope this helps and does not disappoint too much. It didn't disappoint me. I was kinda expecting it.

The first two images show LCD screen and all four are pretty compressed jpegs. Originals are a little bit sharper and cleaner. Oh, it's raining here and it affected outdoor shots a little bit.

XH A1 is amazing :) Cheers!

Holly Rognan November 8th, 2006 01:34 AM

looks allright to me, especially for artistic views as you said. Thanks

Marty Hudzik November 8th, 2006 12:15 PM

Talked to my vendor this morning and they just got the Canon WA adapter and it does "not" work on the H1. They didn't tell me why, but I was told it did not work. FWIW.

Steven Glicker November 8th, 2006 11:31 PM

I was just hunting around the Internet and didn't see any WD-H72's in-stock (on the english websites). Where did you find it?

Marty Hudzik November 9th, 2006 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Glicker
I was just hunting around the Internet and didn't see any WD-H72's in-stock (on the english websites). Where did you find it?

Christine at ZGC told me they got some in. Call her and check on it. I am not sure how many or if they are all already sold but it is worth a try.

Steven Glicker November 9th, 2006 10:24 AM

Thanks Marty. I just talked to Travis at ZGC and he said they had two left, so I ordered one. He also said that they are out of filter kits because of all the A1 sales. (Am I getting caught up in the hysteria??? :-)

Jay Fisk November 22nd, 2006 11:24 PM

Agreed, $400 is a bargain. There was no vignetting evident in the spaghetti video. As the WD-H72 appears to be a quarter-turn twist on lens I'm wondering what the filter options are? It's obviously got larger front glass (unknown size) and in the owner's manual on p154 it shows the WD adaptor with it's own hood. B&H has the clearest photo, they spec it as a .75 but it's engraved with a .8 - In looking at a pic on the watchdog site (thanks Chris!) it looks like internal threads on the base lens PLUS the external bayonet leading me to think the placemant of 72mm filters would be between the XH lens and the WD adaptor vs the front of the wide adaptor. If this is right, it's so wrong. Add that matte box to the shopping list!

Chuck Fadely November 23rd, 2006 08:42 AM

We've got the WD H72 wide angle. It screws in to the camera's 72mm threads; it's not bayonet.

The front friction-fit lens cap says it's 109mm (the outside diameter of the w/a lens). The enormous hood included with the wide angle clamps on.

There are no threads or bayonet on the front of the wide angle lens, so you'd have to use a matte box for filters.

It is marked as .8x. It's a nice, sharp, contrasty zoom-through wide angle, but still has some barrel distortion at the widest.

It is better than our 16x9 Inc. wide lens.

chuck

Greg Rothschild November 23rd, 2006 11:13 AM

Were money no object- what's the best wide angle adapter available for the XH-A/G1?

Pete Bauer November 23rd, 2006 12:23 PM

I doubt anyone anywhere has done an objective, complete side-by-side comparison of different wide adapters that would fit this camera, but since Canon developed their new WD-H72 wide angle adapter specifically in conjunction with the XH cameras and early user reports like Chuck's sound pretty good, that's an odds on bet for the best adapter.

Steven Glicker November 23rd, 2006 01:04 PM

ZGC sent my WD H72 promptly (see above) but I've been distracted and have not spent time with it. Below are some quick photos of it (hopefully I'll take some with it soon B^).

The kit includes the WA, two lens caps, a hood and a bag, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0157_WA_KitContents.jpg The bag will hold the lens and hood but the size of the hood makes the fit loose and somewhat unsecure compared to the bag for the GL2's WA (which I used for packing in a backpack).

The kit comes with an sheet of instructions, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0181_WA_Instructions.jpg http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0182_WA_Precautions.jpg http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0180_WA_Specs.jpg http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0184_WA_Diagram.jpg

Here is a closeup of the end that attaches to the camera, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0165_WA_...ideThreads.jpg

Here is a look at the other end, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0161_WA_SideTop.jpg (No filter mount as indicated in the Precautions above).

We've already heard that it obstructs the Quick Focus lens. Here's a look, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0169_WA_...bstruction.jpg

Here is a front view of the WA mounted with the hood, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0188_WA_HoodMounted.jpg and a side shot, http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0195_WA_SideMounted.jpg

The lens cap can be placed on the WA directly or on the hood however mine does not mount as securely as I'd like. http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0191_WA_HoodCapMounted.jpg I scratched up the lens cap (and the hood) because I was not careful enough packing it a backpack.

Jay Fisk November 24th, 2006 04:57 AM

Thanks for the pics and specs - That's' more info on this lens than I've seen on any other site including the OEM.

This is the only clip I've seen so far that demos the before & after of the adaptor:
http://media.dvinfo.net/canonxh/XHA1WA-1.m2t

Don't get misled by the lens on the table with the bayonet, I thought it was the WD-H72 but obviously not.

Yikes, 1.6 lbs of glass. 26mm of wonderfulness. Soon!

Wade Hanchey November 24th, 2006 08:19 AM

Looking at it from the front, what is that in the lower left corner of the lens hood? I'm guessing it's access for lens cap removal??

Steven Glicker November 24th, 2006 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Fisk
Thanks for the pics and specs - That's' more info on this lens than I've seen on any other site.

I think this site is great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade Hanchey
Looking at it from the front, what is that in the lower left corner of the lens hood? I'm guessing it's access for lens cap removal??

You're right. There is a screw behind there for fastening the hood. Here is the shot with the hood screw (engaged/tightened), http://www.io.com/~smg/xha1/0215_WA_hoodScrew.jpg


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