Second Impressions: Thoughts on Color & Sharpness

Maya Taylor · September 23rd, 2004, 05:54 PM

Marty,

it is indeed a big dilema....no easy answer for you! I feel your pain! :(
One more question; how many scripted/fictions movies do you make a year? And are you mainly going to be showing them on 16:9 televisions?

Joonas Kiviharju · September 27th, 2004, 08:12 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Bill...it's not the camera.....your fly is down....The only attention you will ever get from an XL2 is from men (unless Lauri or Maya happen to be in the neighborhood.)"

---

If you're referring to a fin named Lauri, then I have to tell you that in Finland Lauri is a man's name. The same as Larry in english.

Michael Hamilton · January 21st, 2005, 09:55 AM

I want to show an XL2 jpg image but how does one attach a jpg image to their messages?
I read the instructions in faqs but can't find the browse feature that they refer to.

Michael Hamilton

Barry Goyette · January 21st, 2005, 12:44 PM

Michael,

Dvinfo.net doesn't have the capability of attaching images to the messages, but you can place a link to a webpage of your own (like a .mac or p-base account...or similar).

Barry

Michael Hamilton · January 23rd, 2005, 12:19 PM

Thanks Barry,
I'll give it a try.

Michael

Michael Hamilton · January 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM

Whoops! I don't have a web site.
I'll just try and describe my problem.
Our studio just got an XL2 and I've noticed an "outline" around everything in the image.
Can someone please tell me what this is?
Thanks
Michael Hamilton

Barry Goyette · January 23rd, 2005, 12:53 PM

Michael,

Sounds like a sharpening artifact to me.. A couple of questions...are you shooting in 4:3...or 16:9? Are you seeing this "outline" on a computer monitor...or on an NTSC monitor/Television.

Barry

Michael Hamilton · January 23rd, 2005, 05:02 PM

It's shot in 16x9 30p.
Outline is consistantly more visible on the left side of objects.
When viewed from tapedeck straight to a Sony PVM 1351Q production monitor it is very clear.
On my computer monitor it is less clear, but still there.

Michael Hamilton

Barry Goyette · January 23rd, 2005, 07:40 PM

When you say its on the left side of the objects it sounds alot less like sharpening is the culprit (unless your lighting is from the left or right). Additionally the relatively low res monitor you are using shouldn't be showing sharpening artifacts.

I would experiment with a couple of things to narrow it down...

try 60i instead of 30p

try adjusting the sharpness downward on the xl2

try adjusting the sharpness downward on the production monitor..

If you like...send me (email) a frame grab or two and I'll see if I can decipher it for you. You should see a certain amount of sharpening (outlining) on your computer monitor...the system is designed that way so the image looks crisp on an NTSC monitor...but you shouldn't be seeing it on your production monitor.

Barry

Michael Hamilton · January 24th, 2005, 04:58 PM

Barrey,

I sent you an image.
You should be able to see a faint outline on the left side of the dancer. It's much more prominent when watching it play on an NTSC monitor.
I checked my settings and the sharpness was in defalt (mid) position on the scale, but I will experiment with a lower setting.

Michael

Michael Hamilton · January 25th, 2005, 05:44 PM

Sorry,
I meant right side instead of left.

Michael Hamilton

Barry Goyette · January 25th, 2005, 08:40 PM

Michael..

I got your email, but there was no attachment.

Barry

Pete Constable · January 25th, 2005, 10:20 PM

Hi Marty, I palyed back footage on a Wega TV & the image from XL2 was very blocky & ghosting badly. I have played back images off many TVs & have not been happy with camera. My main problem, however, was bad pixellating on 4 different DV & DVCAM decks I played XL2 tapes on. Dropout rate is very hi too. Returned camera to Sydney Head Office only to find stock cameras coming out of the warehouse doing the same or worse (bad batch?) Colour is very flat, bordering on Blue. Overall I am much happier with XL1s. A brilliant camera producing nice images & warm colour. Stick with your old camera mate. (did you have an XL1s ? )

Marty Hudzik · January 25th, 2005, 11:33 PM

It is weird to have this thread come back to life after months of silence! I am perfectly happy with my camera at this point. Yes the colors at default are a little less saturated than the Xl1 but with a little tweaking the camera is phenomenal. I have had no other problems with it beyond this.

Just wanted to clear the air as any issues in this thread are ancient history to me now.

Peace!

January 21st, 2005, 09:55 AM	#63
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	help! I want to show an XL2 jpg image but how does one attach a jpg image to their messages? I read the instructions in faqs but can't find the browse feature that they refer to. Michael Hamilton

September 23rd, 2004, 05:54 PM	#61
Maya Taylor New Boot Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 21	Marty, it is indeed a big dilema....no easy answer for you! I feel your pain! :( One more question; how many scripted/fictions movies do you make a year? And are you mainly going to be showing them on 16:9 televisions?

September 27th, 2004, 08:12 AM	#62
Joonas Kiviharju Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 52	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Bill...it's not the camera.....your fly is down....The only attention you will ever get from an XL2 is from men (unless Lauri or Maya happen to be in the neighborhood.)" --- If you're referring to a fin named Lauri, then I have to tell you that in Finland Lauri is a man's name. The same as Larry in english.

January 21st, 2005, 12:44 PM	#64
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Michael, Dvinfo.net doesn't have the capability of attaching images to the messages, but you can place a link to a webpage of your own (like a .mac or p-base account...or similar). Barry

January 23rd, 2005, 12:19 PM	#65
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	Thanks Barry, I'll give it a try. Michael

January 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM	#66
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	Whoops! I don't have a web site. I'll just try and describe my problem. Our studio just got an XL2 and I've noticed an "outline" around everything in the image. Can someone please tell me what this is? Thanks Michael Hamilton

January 23rd, 2005, 12:53 PM	#67
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Michael, Sounds like a sharpening artifact to me.. A couple of questions...are you shooting in 4:3...or 16:9? Are you seeing this "outline" on a computer monitor...or on an NTSC monitor/Television. Barry

January 23rd, 2005, 05:02 PM	#68
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	It's shot in 16x9 30p. Outline is consistantly more visible on the left side of objects. When viewed from tapedeck straight to a Sony PVM 1351Q production monitor it is very clear. On my computer monitor it is less clear, but still there. Michael Hamilton

January 23rd, 2005, 07:40 PM	#69
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	When you say its on the left side of the objects it sounds alot less like sharpening is the culprit (unless your lighting is from the left or right). Additionally the relatively low res monitor you are using shouldn't be showing sharpening artifacts. I would experiment with a couple of things to narrow it down... try 60i instead of 30p try adjusting the sharpness downward on the xl2 try adjusting the sharpness downward on the production monitor.. If you like...send me (email) a frame grab or two and I'll see if I can decipher it for you. You should see a certain amount of sharpening (outlining) on your computer monitor...the system is designed that way so the image looks crisp on an NTSC monitor...but you shouldn't be seeing it on your production monitor. Barry

January 24th, 2005, 04:58 PM	#70
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	Barrey, I sent you an image. You should be able to see a faint outline on the left side of the dancer. It's much more prominent when watching it play on an NTSC monitor. I checked my settings and the sharpness was in defalt (mid) position on the scale, but I will experiment with a lower setting. Michael

January 25th, 2005, 05:44 PM	#71
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	Sorry, I meant right side instead of left. Michael Hamilton

January 25th, 2005, 08:40 PM	#72
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Michael.. I got your email, but there was no attachment. Barry

January 25th, 2005, 10:20 PM	#73
Pete Constable Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 50	Hi Marty, I palyed back footage on a Wega TV & the image from XL2 was very blocky & ghosting badly. I have played back images off many TVs & have not been happy with camera. My main problem, however, was bad pixellating on 4 different DV & DVCAM decks I played XL2 tapes on. Dropout rate is very hi too. Returned camera to Sydney Head Office only to find stock cameras coming out of the warehouse doing the same or worse (bad batch?) Colour is very flat, bordering on Blue. Overall I am much happier with XL1s. A brilliant camera producing nice images & warm colour. Stick with your old camera mate. (did you have an XL1s ? )

January 25th, 2005, 11:33 PM	#74
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	It is weird to have this thread come back to life after months of silence! I am perfectly happy with my camera at this point. Yes the colors at default are a little less saturated than the Xl1 but with a little tweaking the camera is phenomenal. I have had no other problems with it beyond this. Just wanted to clear the air as any issues in this thread are ancient history to me now. Peace!