How many early adopters vs. tried&true buyers? at DVinfo.net

Yi Fong Yu · December 8th, 2005, 12:49 PM

i wish we had a poll that asked if you've bought it or about to buy within the first 6 months release of a new product. it's interesting to see how many plan to buy it right away and how many plan to wait&see.

Dan Keaton · December 8th, 2005, 01:37 PM

I would love to have one right now, but I think it is prudent to wait a while.

Specifically:

1. I want to see if HDV works well in most all conditions, panning, etc.

2. I want to know what other lenses will be available and at what price.

3. I want some high quality - field portable recording solutions to become available.

4. I hope to learn about all of the unexpected problems before I buy. For example, based on recent posts, the return to preset focus appears to need a speed control.

5. I want to know if the auto focus is usable, as it appears to be very difficult to focus for High Definition.

Again, I would love to have this camera right now. I do expect to own one in the future.

Kevin Wild · December 8th, 2005, 02:07 PM

I am definitely an early adopter, but I wanted to wait and see how the HVX200 stacked up vs the Canon. So far, from all the reviews I've read and the footage I've seen, the Canon is holding it's own even in the HDV format. If this is true and there is not a HUGE difference, I will DEFINITELY go tape based and will be getting an H1.

KW

John Benton · December 11th, 2005, 10:07 AM

I have been considering the HVX
but something shady seems to be surrounding this camera and
while I like the P2 recording - I don't like the price...
Might as well get a Canon + Firestore and have the best of both worlds

The things that I am interested in are Canon 24f and
the HDV v DVC ProHD

Martin Costa · December 11th, 2005, 12:07 PM

I'll be picking mine up as soon as it hits the shelves (XL H1)

Kristian Indrehus · December 11th, 2005, 01:31 PM

I´m buying one as soon as available in Norway. I plan to go the firestore route, so tape or P2 is not that important. Still I will have a closer look at the Panny when it´s out, and consider getting one as a second (and even more) mobile cam.

Larry Huntington · December 11th, 2005, 04:02 PM

I wish the XL2 could over and under crank like the HVX. I am also wanting to see fast-moving shots HDV on the H1. I shoot nature and would like to see how a waterfall would hold up compression-wise.

larry

Martin Rodriguez · December 11th, 2005, 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=Larry Huntington]I wish the XL2 could over and under crank like the HVX. I am also wanting to see fast-moving shots HDV on the H1. I shoot nature and would like to see how a waterfall would hold up compression-wise.

H1 can't do over and under crank. The major different between Panasonic HVX200 and canon H1 SDI-HD component and removal lenses.

Martin Rodriguez · December 11th, 2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Benton

I have been considering the HVX
but something shady seems to be surrounding this camera and
while I like the P2 recording - I don't like the price...
Might as well get a Canon + Firestore and have the best of both worlds

The things that I am interested in are Canon 24f and
the HDV v DVC ProHD

DVCPRO easier & cost effective to edit and capture with no compression problems. Plus you will need to use the camera as a deck to playback 24F footage. Final Cut Pro or Avid don't support 24 Frames.

Barlow Elton · December 12th, 2005, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Rodriguez

DVCPRO easier & cost effective to edit and capture with no compression problems. Plus you will need to use the camera as a deck to playback 24F footage. Final Cut Pro or Avid don't support 24 Frames.

There will be an update in FCP that adds support to 24F material. It will import the footage with an advanced pulldown similar to DVX100 process.

Barry Green · December 12th, 2005, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton

There will be an update in FCP that adds support to 24F material. It will import the footage with an advanced pulldown similar to DVX100 process.

There's no pulldown at all in 24F though -- according to Tim Smith at Canon, the 24F is recorded as 24 distinct frames with no pulldown. That's why it won't play back on a Sony, because it's not 60i...

Pete Tomov · December 12th, 2005, 06:36 AM

Erm..the manual says that in hd mode the 24f is recorded as 60i with pulldown

Barlow Elton · December 12th, 2005, 10:22 AM

Either way you'll be able to get the full 24 frames back and work in a 24p sequence. It sounds like it's doing something similar to the GY HD100. Repeat frames to tape and whatnot. But of course, that's "true 24p".

Bottom line: Until there's a compatible deck, it's probably wise to shoot with a Firestore and only use the tapes as a backup. Wouldn't want the wear and tear on the H1.

Pete Tomov · December 12th, 2005, 11:01 AM

Actually my hd-sdi capture card converts 60i with pulldown to 24p.I'm not sure about all but at least most cards should be able to do that.

Barry Green · December 12th, 2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Tomov

Erm..the manual says that in hd mode the 24f is recorded as 60i with pulldown

Really. Weird. Tim Smith said it was a straight 24p recording. I'll have to look at the manual.

If it's recorded as 60i, why wouldn't it play back in the Sony?

December 8th, 2005, 12:49 PM	#1
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	How many early adopters vs. tried&true buyers? i wish we had a poll that asked if you've bought it or about to buy within the first 6 months release of a new product. it's interesting to see how many plan to buy it right away and how many plan to wait&see. __________________ bow wow wow

December 8th, 2005, 01:37 PM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	I would love to have one right now, but I think it is prudent to wait a while. Specifically: 1. I want to see if HDV works well in most all conditions, panning, etc. 2. I want to know what other lenses will be available and at what price. 3. I want some high quality - field portable recording solutions to become available. 4. I hope to learn about all of the unexpected problems before I buy. For example, based on recent posts, the return to preset focus appears to need a speed control. 5. I want to know if the auto focus is usable, as it appears to be very difficult to focus for High Definition. Again, I would love to have this camera right now. I do expect to own one in the future. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

December 8th, 2005, 02:07 PM	#3
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	I am definitely an early adopter, but I wanted to wait and see how the HVX200 stacked up vs the Canon. So far, from all the reviews I've read and the footage I've seen, the Canon is holding it's own even in the HDV format. If this is true and there is not a HUGE difference, I will DEFINITELY go tape based and will be getting an H1. KW

December 11th, 2005, 10:07 AM	#4
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	I have been considering the HVX but something shady seems to be surrounding this camera and while I like the P2 recording - I don't like the price... Might as well get a Canon + Firestore and have the best of both worlds The things that I am interested in are Canon 24f and the HDV v DVC ProHD

December 11th, 2005, 12:07 PM	#5
Martin Costa Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 76 Images: 2	I'll be picking mine up as soon as it hits the shelves (XL H1)

December 11th, 2005, 01:31 PM	#6
Kristian Indrehus Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 123	I´m buying one as soon as available in Norway. I plan to go the firestore route, so tape or P2 is not that important. Still I will have a closer look at the Panny when it´s out, and consider getting one as a second (and even more) mobile cam.

December 11th, 2005, 04:02 PM	#7
Larry Huntington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grass Valley, California Posts: 350	I wish the XL2 could over and under crank like the HVX. I am also wanting to see fast-moving shots HDV on the H1. I shoot nature and would like to see how a waterfall would hold up compression-wise. larry

December 11th, 2005, 06:45 PM	#8
Martin Rodriguez Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 3	[QUOTE=Larry Huntington]I wish the XL2 could over and under crank like the HVX. I am also wanting to see fast-moving shots HDV on the H1. I shoot nature and would like to see how a waterfall would hold up compression-wise. H1 can't do over and under crank. The major different between Panasonic HVX200 and canon H1 SDI-HD component and removal lenses.

December 12th, 2005, 06:36 AM	#12
Pete Tomov Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 106	Erm..the manual says that in hd mode the 24f is recorded as 60i with pulldown

December 12th, 2005, 10:22 AM	#13
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Either way you'll be able to get the full 24 frames back and work in a 24p sequence. It sounds like it's doing something similar to the GY HD100. Repeat frames to tape and whatnot. But of course, that's "true 24p". Bottom line: Until there's a compatible deck, it's probably wise to shoot with a Firestore and only use the tapes as a backup. Wouldn't want the wear and tear on the H1.

December 12th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#14
Pete Tomov Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 106	Actually my hd-sdi capture card converts 60i with pulldown to 24p.I'm not sure about all but at least most cards should be able to do that.