11 second clip of HO scale train set at DVinfo.net

John Cordell · February 10th, 2006, 05:12 PM

Here's a clip I made this morning of my seven year old son's train set.

Shot this on XL-H1 in 24f, used HDVxDV to capture and convert to DVCPRO HD 1080. Used FCP to export to a quicktime movie. Zip'ed and uploaded for your viewing pleasure.

For PC/Mac/anybody (36MB):

http://www.cordellproductions.com/movies/h1trainset.mov

Original link that PC people had problems with (115MB):

http://www.cordellproductions.com/mo...trains 24f.zip

Vincent Rozenberg · February 10th, 2006, 06:18 PM

Looking good John! I love the DOF, I presume this is just the standard 20x lens isn't it?

John Cordell · February 10th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Rozenberg

Looking good John! I love the DOF, I presume this is just the standard 20x lens isn't it?

Thanks.

Yes, it was the stock 20x lens, shot from about six feet away from the train set. I am finding that I'm very happy with how shallow a DOF I can get, and not just on objects that are 1/87th the size of their real counterparts!

Dennis Hingsberg · February 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM

When I unzip your file there is no file extension? I tried renaming the file to m2t, wmv, mov, avi with no luck.

What is the file extension? Thanks.

K. Forman · February 10th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hingsberg

When I unzip your file there is no file extension? I tried renaming the file to m2t, wmv, mov, avi with no luck.

What is the file extension? Thanks.

It's a Mac thing... blech! I had the same problem.

Dennis Hingsberg · February 10th, 2006, 08:44 PM

Damn - and I like HO scale trains!

John Cordell · February 10th, 2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Forman

It's a Mac thing... blech! I had the same problem.

Sorry about that. I'll post something more PC friendly later today or tomorrow.

Kevin Wild · February 11th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Uh...opened right up and played on my Mac. It's just a .mov file. Add the extension and you should be good.

KW

K. Forman · February 11th, 2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Wild

Uh...opened right up and played on my Mac. It's just a .mov file. Add the extension and you should be good.

KW

The thing is, Macs have a unique way of doing things, and that includes not adding an extension to file names. Windows has no idea what the file is, unless it has an extension.

John Cordell · February 11th, 2006, 10:46 AM

Ok, here's another link:

www.cordellproductions.com/movies/h1trainset.mov

This one is a bonafide quicktime movie that downloads and, unlike the first file, works fine on my PC. I had used a bit of a strange export path on the first file, mostly in an attempt to deliver unadulterated video bits for fellow FCP users.

This new file is smaller, 36MB, and is compressed using H.264, so you will need a fairly current version of quicktime.

Dennis Hingsberg · February 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM

Yippee - can't wait to see it... . . okay here I go....

WOAH - I really liked that! I felt like I was watching one of those childrens shows on TV, that was really cool.

Any color tweaks or is that "out of the box"?

Cool, thanks.

John Cordell · February 11th, 2006, 05:03 PM

The camera settings were not out of the box: gamma was cine2, master ped was -6, knee was H, sharpness was -5.

No color correction was done in FCP.

Kurth Bousman · February 11th, 2006, 05:42 PM

John - that was incredible. If that's the dof on the box lens , then 35mm adapters won't even be needed. It seems to be defying physics, or at least the commonly assumed limitations of the 1/3" chips. How is this possible ? Kurth

Chris Hurd · February 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM

Shallow DOF with these camcorders is surprisingly easy, at focal lengths from midway to full telephoto. The only time it's really difficult is at the wide end of the zoom. Of course, you're more likely to need full wide when shooting narrative with human actors.

Small objects like HO-scale train sets from six feet away, no problem at all to get shallow DOF.

Ash Greyson · February 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM

Easy... use the lens long. The XL2 has the exact same DOF. If you use the lens in the 8X - 20X zoom with the aperature wide open you can get a VERY shallow DOF. Here are some grabs from my doc all shot with an XL1s...

ash =o)

February 10th, 2006, 05:12 PM	#1
John Cordell Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 69	11 second clip of HO scale train set Here's a clip I made this morning of my seven year old son's train set. Shot this on XL-H1 in 24f, used HDVxDV to capture and convert to DVCPRO HD 1080. Used FCP to export to a quicktime movie. Zip'ed and uploaded for your viewing pleasure. For PC/Mac/anybody (36MB): http://www.cordellproductions.com/movies/h1trainset.mov Original link that PC people had problems with (115MB): http://www.cordellproductions.com/mo...trains 24f.zip Last edited by John Cordell; February 11th, 2006 at 10:50 AM.

February 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM	#4
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	When I unzip your file there is no file extension? I tried renaming the file to m2t, wmv, mov, avi with no luck. What is the file extension? Thanks. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 10th, 2006, 08:44 PM	#6
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Damn - and I like HO scale trains! __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM	#11
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Yippee - can't wait to see it... . . okay here I go.... WOAH - I really liked that! I felt like I was watching one of those childrens shows on TV, that was really cool. Any color tweaks or is that "out of the box"? Cool, thanks. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Shallow DOF with these camcorders is surprisingly easy, at focal lengths from midway to full telephoto. The only time it's really difficult is at the wide end of the zoom. Of course, you're more likely to need full wide when shooting narrative with human actors. Small objects like HO-scale train sets from six feet away, no problem at all to get shallow DOF. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 10th, 2006, 06:18 PM	#2
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	Looking good John! I love the DOF, I presume this is just the standard 20x lens isn't it?

February 11th, 2006, 12:04 AM	#8
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	Uh...opened right up and played on my Mac. It's just a .mov file. Add the extension and you should be good. KW

February 11th, 2006, 10:46 AM	#10
John Cordell Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 69	Ok, here's another link: www.cordellproductions.com/movies/h1trainset.mov This one is a bonafide quicktime movie that downloads and, unlike the first file, works fine on my PC. I had used a bit of a strange export path on the first file, mostly in an attempt to deliver unadulterated video bits for fellow FCP users. This new file is smaller, 36MB, and is compressed using H.264, so you will need a fairly current version of quicktime.

February 11th, 2006, 05:03 PM	#12
John Cordell Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 69	The camera settings were not out of the box: gamma was cine2, master ped was -6, knee was H, sharpness was -5. No color correction was done in FCP.

February 11th, 2006, 05:42 PM	#13
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	John - that was incredible. If that's the dof on the box lens , then 35mm adapters won't even be needed. It seems to be defying physics, or at least the commonly assumed limitations of the 1/3" chips. How is this possible ? Kurth

February 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM	#15
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Easy... use the lens long. The XL2 has the exact same DOF. If you use the lens in the 8X - 20X zoom with the aperature wide open you can get a VERY shallow DOF. Here are some grabs from my doc all shot with an XL1s... ash =o)