Here's your $900 playback deck 24F/ 30F Frame mode

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 10:13 AM

Any idea if either of these can be battery opperated like the M10?

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2006, 11:22 AM

It's not in the press release, but I bet we'll find out in a few days at NAB.

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 11:27 AM

It would be much appreciated if you could ask while you are there. Not that it would be something I'd use regularly, it was a nice feature on the M10. Too bad it had a bunch of other issues.

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2006, 12:10 PM

Oh, believe me, we'll check it out as thoroughly as we can and report about it here.

Jeff Morrissette · April 14th, 2006, 12:48 PM

Nice looking decks.

Luis de la Cerda · April 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM

Any decks campatible with 24f announced yet?

Kevin Wild · April 24th, 2006, 09:16 PM

To add to it, has anyone had a chance to check out the new SONY deck? Any news about if it's 24F compatible for the H1?

Thx.

Kevin

John Benton · April 25th, 2006, 07:19 AM

Though it doesn't answer this direct question...Evidently Apple has a 24f FCP ProtoType on display

along these lines
Any HD_SDI portable HDrives ?

Pete Bauer · April 25th, 2006, 11:55 AM

So far I haven't heard anything here at NAB about Canon F-mode compatible deck announcements. Will keep checking.

Rodney Compton · May 5th, 2006, 05:16 AM

Judging by the cost of the new XLH1 camera, I wonder if Canon will up the anti in terms of cost on the manual HD lenses they are almost bound to introduce soon. Does this then open the door to some judicial adaptation of existing lenses that they produce for other manufacturers, namely JVC and Sony.

Is it just my perception, but I can't take Canon seriously as a professional movie cam supplier, they always seem to be looking over their shoulder at their mass consumer market place. It seems that they don't plan a range of product just for the professional - take the XLH1 for example. It is obviously an adaptation, (however clever) of the existing XL series cameras which were pitched at the mass market of 'prosumers' (dreadful word), but now with a professional price tag. I would have been first in the que for the HDV camera if it had not been marketed with the 20x servo lens and a black paint job. I don't see the equivalent difference in their still camera marketplace, there you genuinely do get a lot more for your dough with Canon's professional products.

Rod C

Ron Pfister · May 5th, 2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodney Compton

I don't see the equivalent difference in their still camera marketplace, there you genuinely do get a lot more for your dough with Canon's professional products.

I don't agree here. The imaging-pipeline of a EOS-350D and a EOS-1DMkIIn are nearly identical, but the difference in price is significant! I think we live in an age, where digital imaging equipment is inherently of high quality. The days of noisy/low-sensitivity sensors and crummy lenses are over, and you pay a lot more for a few (but admittedly important) features as you climb up the ladder from consumer to professional gear. A sign of the times, I guess - but it makes high-quality gear accessible to almost everyone, and that's a good thing, IMO.

Ron Pfister · May 5th, 2006, 06:26 AM

But back to decks: I decided to go the HDR-HC1-route. This way I have a backup-cam that's up to the task for event-videography. It works fine with 1080i50 and should also work with f25, although I have not tried yet. It also does in-camera HDV-to-DV down-conversion. Lots of bang for the buck, IMO. And if it's purely used as a deck, the HDR-HC3 is even less expensive.

FWIW,

Ron

Jeff Morrissette · May 5th, 2006, 07:23 AM

When the xl-1 came out it was a pretty big deal with professionals who wanted beta type quality in a small package. Since then they have fallen behind the game a little I think.

If they do get some professional devices working with 24f it will be pretty big deal since sony couldn't make it work. They have a chance to prove themselves. I actually like the black look. The white looked pretty consumer to me, stands out too much.

James Lundy · May 5th, 2006, 12:27 PM

IMHO, the camera looks like the mut's nuts. It's sleek black finish gives it that extra bit style, which seperates it from the XL1/XL2. It has some nice features like HD SDI, and is reasonably priced.

However, the lack of a deck which plays back 24/25f at the moment is a bit of a poor show. You can use the Wafrian recorder, but not everyone has that sort of cash, and it does make things a bit more tricky.

I've still to purchase my XL-H1, but will be doing so in the next 2-3 month no matter what. However, if there was also a deck available, I'm sure I'd find the cash quick smart.

Craig Chartier · May 5th, 2006, 06:20 PM

i believe the goal now is to push you toward the firestore device." tape is dead," kinda like film was the last couple of years. its in all the papers ;)

April 14th, 2006, 10:13 AM	#31
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April 14th, 2006, 11:22 AM	#32
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K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	It would be much appreciated if you could ask while you are there. Not that it would be something I'd use regularly, it was a nice feature on the M10. Too bad it had a bunch of other issues. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 12:10 PM	#34
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Oh, believe me, we'll check it out as thoroughly as we can and report about it here. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM	#36
Luis de la Cerda Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mexico City Posts: 181	NAB - Deck Any decks campatible with 24f announced yet?

April 14th, 2006, 12:48 PM	#35
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Nice looking decks.

April 24th, 2006, 09:16 PM	#37
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	To add to it, has anyone had a chance to check out the new SONY deck? Any news about if it's 24F compatible for the H1? Thx. Kevin

April 25th, 2006, 07:19 AM	#38
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Though it doesn't answer this direct question...Evidently Apple has a 24f FCP ProtoType on display along these lines Any HD_SDI portable HDrives ?

April 25th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#39
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	So far I haven't heard anything here at NAB about Canon F-mode compatible deck announcements. Will keep checking. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

May 5th, 2006, 05:16 AM	#40
Rodney Compton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 90	Lens and Decks from Canon Judging by the cost of the new XLH1 camera, I wonder if Canon will up the anti in terms of cost on the manual HD lenses they are almost bound to introduce soon. Does this then open the door to some judicial adaptation of existing lenses that they produce for other manufacturers, namely JVC and Sony. Is it just my perception, but I can't take Canon seriously as a professional movie cam supplier, they always seem to be looking over their shoulder at their mass consumer market place. It seems that they don't plan a range of product just for the professional - take the XLH1 for example. It is obviously an adaptation, (however clever) of the existing XL series cameras which were pitched at the mass market of 'prosumers' (dreadful word), but now with a professional price tag. I would have been first in the que for the HDV camera if it had not been marketed with the 20x servo lens and a black paint job. I don't see the equivalent difference in their still camera marketplace, there you genuinely do get a lot more for your dough with Canon's professional products. Rod C

May 5th, 2006, 06:26 AM	#42
Ron Pfister Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Basel area, Switzerland Posts: 285	But back to decks: I decided to go the HDR-HC1-route. This way I have a backup-cam that's up to the task for event-videography. It works fine with 1080i50 and should also work with f25, although I have not tried yet. It also does in-camera HDV-to-DV down-conversion. Lots of bang for the buck, IMO. And if it's purely used as a deck, the HDR-HC3 is even less expensive. FWIW, Ron __________________ Ronald P. Pfister halimedia - digital solutions and services www.halimedia.com

May 5th, 2006, 07:23 AM	#43
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	When the xl-1 came out it was a pretty big deal with professionals who wanted beta type quality in a small package. Since then they have fallen behind the game a little I think. If they do get some professional devices working with 24f it will be pretty big deal since sony couldn't make it work. They have a chance to prove themselves. I actually like the black look. The white looked pretty consumer to me, stands out too much.

May 5th, 2006, 12:27 PM	#44
James Lundy Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Lothian - Bonnie Scotland Posts: 51	IMHO, the camera looks like the mut's nuts. It's sleek black finish gives it that extra bit style, which seperates it from the XL1/XL2. It has some nice features like HD SDI, and is reasonably priced. However, the lack of a deck which plays back 24/25f at the moment is a bit of a poor show. You can use the Wafrian recorder, but not everyone has that sort of cash, and it does make things a bit more tricky. I've still to purchase my XL-H1, but will be doing so in the next 2-3 month no matter what. However, if there was also a deck available, I'm sure I'd find the cash quick smart.

May 5th, 2006, 06:20 PM	#45
Craig Chartier DVi Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 374	i believe the goal now is to push you toward the firestore device." tape is dead," kinda like film was the last couple of years. its in all the papers ;)