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Adam Lawrence · February 18th, 2002, 01:55 PM

I was doing some reading and came across someone saying that
the PAL XL1 not only has a better res quality and versitility when transfering to film but it also makes a better "film look"..

Is this true???

Chris Hurd · February 18th, 2002, 02:25 PM

Read the 4-part DV to 35mm Technology Guide on the XL1 Watchdog (www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm) in the Articles section. It will tell you pretty much everything you want to know about shooting in PAL.

Adam Lawrence · February 18th, 2002, 06:10 PM

wow what a great article..

surely got alot of useful info out of reading through it..

though my main question still goes somewhat unanswered..
does PAL format really create a better "film-look"??

I imagine it would somewhat..
but havent compared the two first hand yet..

Chris Hurd · February 18th, 2002, 07:16 PM

<< does PAL format really create a better "film-look"? >>

It boils down to this... there is really no difference between the way PAL and NTSC video appear from each other except that you might, just might discern a sharper image from PAL, and the PAL frame rate is 25fps vs. 30fps for NTSC. If you're shooting for 35mm film transfer, then some facilities want it on PAL while some want it on NTSC.

A "film look" comes more from lighting, composition and expert camera movement than from anything else. PAL vs. NTSC is not nearly as important as how well lit your video is, making the camera feel like it has some mass when it moves, and of course, above all else, the content: your story, your talent, etc. etc.

Steve Kim · February 20th, 2002, 11:44 PM

Vertical lines:
NTSC: 525
PAL: 625

Sampling:
NTSC: 4:1:1
PAL: 4:2:0

I can see more detail and vivid color on PAL images even on a small Microsoft Media Player in my PC monitor.

To view PAL image in US, you need to have a PAL monitor, or view PAL image on you PC monitor. It may be inconvenient for you. Warrenty service takes more time because you need to ship the camera to the country you buy from. In my case, to Canon UK.

13" Multi format (PAL/NTSC) JVC monitor costs $450 at B&H.

I agree with Chris. Film look needs more than a good camera: good lighting, picture composition, stories and many others.

Scott Buillups mentioned about XL1 PAL and NTSC vs. PAL in his famous book, "Digital Moviemaking".

Justin Walter · February 21st, 2002, 12:13 AM

The following is from an email I recieved from the man who wrote the book, Scott Billups on this topic of PAL and the elusive "film look":

"Using the 3:2 conversion function will give your PAL a very cinematic look when played in NTSC. This is the main reason that so many shows are shooting in 24P for NTSC broadcast.

Obviously, the best thing to do is pump some PAL into your system, transpose it and then record it to VHS. If you like the look (and that's all that is really important) then you've got your production environment."

February 18th, 2002, 01:55 PM	#1
Adam Lawrence _redone_ Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 224	Pal Xl1 I was doing some reading and came across someone saying that the PAL XL1 not only has a better res quality and versitility when transfering to film but it also makes a better "film look".. Is this true???

February 18th, 2002, 02:25 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Read the 4-part DV to 35mm Technology Guide on the XL1 Watchdog (www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm) in the Articles section. It will tell you pretty much everything you want to know about shooting in PAL. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 18th, 2002, 06:10 PM	#3
Adam Lawrence _redone_ Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 224	article wow what a great article.. surely got alot of useful info out of reading through it.. though my main question still goes somewhat unanswered.. does PAL format really create a better "film-look"?? I imagine it would somewhat.. but havent compared the two first hand yet..

February 18th, 2002, 07:16 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	<< does PAL format really create a better "film-look"? >> It boils down to this... there is really no difference between the way PAL and NTSC video appear from each other except that you might, just might discern a sharper image from PAL, and the PAL frame rate is 25fps vs. 30fps for NTSC. If you're shooting for 35mm film transfer, then some facilities want it on PAL while some want it on NTSC. A "film look" comes more from lighting, composition and expert camera movement than from anything else. PAL vs. NTSC is not nearly as important as how well lit your video is, making the camera feel like it has some mass when it moves, and of course, above all else, the content: your story, your talent, etc. etc. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 20th, 2002, 11:44 PM	#5
Steve Kim Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: McLean, VA Posts: 47	PAL has more vertical lines and color information Vertical lines: NTSC: 525 PAL: 625 Sampling: NTSC: 4:1:1 PAL: 4:2:0 I can see more detail and vivid color on PAL images even on a small Microsoft Media Player in my PC monitor. To view PAL image in US, you need to have a PAL monitor, or view PAL image on you PC monitor. It may be inconvenient for you. Warrenty service takes more time because you need to ship the camera to the country you buy from. In my case, to Canon UK. 13" Multi format (PAL/NTSC) JVC monitor costs $450 at B&H. I agree with Chris. Film look needs more than a good camera: good lighting, picture composition, stories and many others. Scott Buillups mentioned about XL1 PAL and NTSC vs. PAL in his famous book, "Digital Moviemaking".

February 21st, 2002, 12:13 AM	#6
Justin Walter Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Justin Walter - Salt Lake City Posts: 51	The following is from an email I recieved from the man who wrote the book, Scott Billups on this topic of PAL and the elusive "film look": "Using the 3:2 conversion function will give your PAL a very cinematic look when played in NTSC. This is the main reason that so many shows are shooting in 24P for NTSC broadcast. Obviously, the best thing to do is pump some PAL into your system, transpose it and then record it to VHS. If you like the look (and that's all that is really important) then you've got your production environment."