Neoscene & CS4 1080p project presets at DVinfo.net

John Harvey · May 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM

Can someone recommend the proper project settings for NEOscene processed files in Premier pro CS4?

It's a bit confusing as to which video preset is best of all the 1080p ones available.

jh

David Taylor · May 25th, 2009, 10:57 AM

John, check out this Tech Note posted on our Tech Blog: Cineform Tech Blog Blog Archive Setting up Project and Sequence Settings in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 (Windows)

Alternatively you can go to the main Tech Blog page and search on CS4 which is exactly what I did to fine the Tech Note. http://techblog.cineform.com/

John Harvey · May 26th, 2009, 08:26 PM

THAT 'S HELPFUL, THANK YOU.

The Canon mk2 5d footage, for display, is that considered 30fps drop frame or non drop frame??

jh

David Newman · May 26th, 2009, 09:27 PM

Non-drop and drop timecodes are terms that really only make sense at 29.97 -- non-drop is timecode at 30.0, means it is really running a tad slow, and "drop" the timecode skips two frames every minute (but not every 10 minute) to catch up with reality. At 30 you just have timecode (pick non-drop), not that anyone really using 30.0 timecode.

Rick Casillas · May 26th, 2009, 11:44 PM

David,

Your answer was somewhat confusing.

the files coming from 5DM2 (.MOV) are coded as 30.000 fps, while the CineForm files (.AVI) are coded with 29.970. This tells me that Canon is using non-drop frames timecode, and when converted with CineForm, the files are then converted to drop-frame timecoed.

Is this correct? Is Canon actually using a non-drop frame timecode? (30fps) Or is that a mistake and the timecode is really 29.97fps?

Thanks,

Rick C.

David Newman · May 27th, 2009, 09:19 AM

No, but drop frame is confusing. More info : SMPTE time code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rick Casillas · May 27th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Ok, I guess you mean to say that Canon uses 29.97 fps timecode. Which in fact is coded with drop-frames. Even though they code a value of 30 fps in the .mov file.

David Newman · May 27th, 2009, 10:53 PM

Not saying that either. Timecode is much simpler than you make out to be. The frames go from 0 to 29, and there is no skip at the 1 minute boundary (that word be drop frame), so it is non-drop by elimination. But 30.0 would never be drop-frame, just as 25.0 wouldn't be, noe is there for 24 or even 23.976, it only exists for 29.97 to make our NTSC based lives a little bit harder. :)

Rick Casillas · May 27th, 2009, 11:30 PM

Ok going back to my original statement; canon uses 30.0 but when cineform converts to intemediate, the files are coded with 29.97 fps. Can you explain this phenomena a bit. That is where the confusion is.

Thanks David.

David Newman · May 28th, 2009, 09:22 AM

But that has no impact on timecode. 95% on video tools and 100% of NTSC DVD needs to be at 29.97, so we made life a little easier using the Canon 5D.

John Harvey · May 28th, 2009, 03:22 PM

So I guess the final answer is to choose 29.97 drop frame when rendering to maintain the playback to real time???

jh

David Newman · May 28th, 2009, 03:36 PM

No. It is non-drop, unless you don't want timecode, by just what a "real" time playback position (maybe handy if your are doing a sit-com.)

Rick Casillas · May 28th, 2009, 03:53 PM

David,

I understood that 30fps was non-drop and 29.97 was drop frame, however, in practice 29.97 can be both drop and non-drop, and I know that 30fps has always been non-drop.

And Cineform intermediates are coded as 29.97 but the timecode remains the same as non-drop frame.

Is this correct?

May 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM	#1
John Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: los angeles, ca Posts: 76	Neoscene & CS4 1080p project presets Can someone recommend the proper project settings for NEOscene processed files in Premier pro CS4? It's a bit confusing as to which video preset is best of all the 1080p ones available. jh

May 26th, 2009, 09:27 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Non-drop and drop timecodes are terms that really only make sense at 29.97 -- non-drop is timecode at 30.0, means it is really running a tad slow, and "drop" the timecode skips two frames every minute (but not every 10 minute) to catch up with reality. At 30 you just have timecode (pick non-drop), not that anyone really using 30.0 timecode. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 27th, 2009, 09:19 AM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	No, but drop frame is confusing. More info : SMPTE time code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 27th, 2009, 10:53 PM	#8
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Not saying that either. Timecode is much simpler than you make out to be. The frames go from 0 to 29, and there is no skip at the 1 minute boundary (that word be drop frame), so it is non-drop by elimination. But 30.0 would never be drop-frame, just as 25.0 wouldn't be, noe is there for 24 or even 23.976, it only exists for 29.97 to make our NTSC based lives a little bit harder. :) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 28th, 2009, 09:22 AM	#10
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	But that has no impact on timecode. 95% on video tools and 100% of NTSC DVD needs to be at 29.97, so we made life a little easier using the Canon 5D. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 25th, 2009, 10:57 AM	#2
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	John, check out this Tech Note posted on our Tech Blog: Cineform Tech Blog Blog Archive Setting up Project and Sequence Settings in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 (Windows) Alternatively you can go to the main Tech Blog page and search on CS4 which is exactly what I did to fine the Tech Note. http://techblog.cineform.com/

May 26th, 2009, 08:26 PM	#3
John Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: los angeles, ca Posts: 76	THAT 'S HELPFUL, THANK YOU. The Canon mk2 5d footage, for display, is that considered 30fps drop frame or non drop frame?? jh

May 26th, 2009, 11:44 PM	#5
Rick Casillas Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 47	David, Your answer was somewhat confusing. the files coming from 5DM2 (.MOV) are coded as 30.000 fps, while the CineForm files (.AVI) are coded with 29.970. This tells me that Canon is using non-drop frames timecode, and when converted with CineForm, the files are then converted to drop-frame timecoed. Is this correct? Is Canon actually using a non-drop frame timecode? (30fps) Or is that a mistake and the timecode is really 29.97fps? Thanks, Rick C.

May 27th, 2009, 10:11 PM	#7
Rick Casillas Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 47	Ok, I guess you mean to say that Canon uses 29.97 fps timecode. Which in fact is coded with drop-frames. Even though they code a value of 30 fps in the .mov file.

May 27th, 2009, 11:30 PM	#9
Rick Casillas Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 47	Ok going back to my original statement; canon uses 30.0 but when cineform converts to intemediate, the files are coded with 29.97 fps. Can you explain this phenomena a bit. That is where the confusion is. Thanks David.

May 28th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#11
John Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: los angeles, ca Posts: 76	So I guess the final answer is to choose 29.97 drop frame when rendering to maintain the playback to real time??? jh

May 28th, 2009, 03:36 PM	#12
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	No. It is non-drop, unless you don't want timecode, by just what a "real" time playback position (maybe handy if your are doing a sit-com.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 28th, 2009, 03:53 PM	#13
Rick Casillas Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 47	David, I understood that 30fps was non-drop and 29.97 was drop frame, however, in practice 29.97 can be both drop and non-drop, and I know that 30fps has always been non-drop. And Cineform intermediates are coded as 29.97 but the timecode remains the same as non-drop frame. Is this correct?