Support can get you a link. And please work through support so we can get to the bottom of why some systems can use the latest version.

Thanks David... I have a ticket submitted and will provide any info I can to help them track down the problem.

Using Cineform Aspect in After Effects - not as quick as premier
 

hey all, i recently purchased a sony fx1 and have had no problems with moving up from dv when editing ( in premier pro2) but when using after effects the response time is quite slow. my original post can be found here

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...8&goto=newpost

i was hoping somebody here would be able to help me. For me to be able to scrub through the timeline in a.e i have to drop the quality down to 1/4... is there anyway of speeding up rendering times of hdv in ae?

I just turned off open gl and it seems to scrub fine now

sorry about that

Cineform Aspect HD 4.23 for Adobe Premiere Pro 2 & Canon 25F
 

I have a questiona bout Aspect HD 4.23 for Adobe Premiere Pro 2 (and 1.5.1) and the PAL version of the Canon XL-H1. I know what Cineform is supporting the Canon 24F mode... but I cannot find information about Canon 25F. I have an European model, so I must be 100% sure that it is supported.

If someone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated!

I have one other question: the advantage of Adobe Production Studio is that I can swap files from one program to another without rendering. If I use Cineform Aspect HD... will this remain the same or do I have to render again?

You can use the Adobe sharing tools been apps and 25F is supported.

Thanks for the fast response. This is exactly what I wanted to hear! Maybe it can be specified more clearly on your website. That's the first place I looked for the information but it only lists 24F and 30F for Canon.

Proper CF Aspect HD > Premier Pro 2.0 Workflow
 

Can someone that has been doing this for a while please post a successful workflow for capturing from an HDV cam (Sony HC1 in my case) into Premier Pro 2.0 and out to AVI for DVD.

I've had the evaluation copy up for several days and it runs out tomorrow, I have yet to get started on a project due to several issues that have been bugging me which I know have to be my fault but I'm not sure.

1. Capture Process: I've attempted to Capture from Premier using the F5 command and I get video that is jerky at times or has horizonal interlace lines in it on playback to a reference monitor.

I attempted to capture with HDLINK and it stalls after 5 to 7 minutes of a 30 minute capture.

I finally was able to capture using HDVSplit and run HDLink conversions to CF AVI and finally had sucess, I know that someone has to be able to cut out one of these steps and do it faster and easier.

2. Import to Premier and editing: I've been able to get the video into Premier and edit with few to no issues however I see horizonal interlace lines from time to time on clips and I know that they are not there. An example is a shot of a car spinner where the movement is jittery and interlaced, yet when viewed on a reference monitor there is nothing there.

3. Export from Premier to DVD ready file: I've exported the timeline and experimented with Upper fields, lower fields and progressive fields and followed every FAQ that I can find on either here or on the Cineform site and seem to continue to run into poor video quality or interlace lines but never the perfect video that I see others are getting or what I used to get from DV.

So the question, can anyone help with this or am I destined to do a HDV > DV conversion via the camera and edit an SD project and give up on HDV?

System specs:
Dell P380 Workstation / Intel Dual Core 3.46g / 2g Ram
Matrox Parhelia APVe card to 16:9 HDV Monitor
Premier Pro 2.0 / HDVsplit and HDLink from Cineform

Project Specs:
Aspect HD 1440x1080i 60i (CF Installed)
PAR: HD Ana 1080 1.333
Upper Fields First

Export Specs: Per CF FAQ Export2DVD.htm
720 X 480 D1/DV NTSC WS 16:9 1.2
Lower Fields First

HELP!
MIGUEL

I typically get two or three stalls per 60 minute tape using HDLink. It's a pain, but I think it always manages to stall at a scene break, so I don't lose any material. Adding to my frustration is the file numbering, which starts a new sequence with each restart of HDLink. Cineform is considering an enhancement to file numbering in a future release, but it's very low priority, and may never actually get released.

Best,
Christopher

I've captured several jobs using cineform with PPro 1.5.1, no issues. Both on an old Dell 650, and a new BOXX 7400. Using an HC1. Preview is always on the camera and not in PPro. However, clips capture well and zero issues.

Are you using a raid for capture? I have 3 drive scsi 160 on the dell, and 3 drive scsi 320 on the Boxx.

Artifacts such as flicker, slight blurring, etc. during playback while editing are preview buffer issues and do not show up in the final render. Even with a 512mb quadro 3450 card.

I've read about some issues with PPro 2, which is why I did not upgrade PPro. However, I believe cineform is a mature product. I demoed aspect and cut two real jobs on it before it expired. I will finish those jobs with Prospect.

Export at lower fields first? You have an upper field project and your reversing the fields? How are you playing these back? If on a set top DVD player for interlaced, then stick with the original field order as recorded (i.e. Upper). If your going to progressive scan DVD player or PC playback, then deinterlace (as post process) in render.

Peter thanks for the help, the system is setup with an 80g system drive and 2 160g 10k rpm drives in a raid-0 for the editing work. I have 1.51 and will see what difference it makes however I've been cutting on 2.0 and really have no pain from it, not sure what you've encountered.

As for the field preference, this is by the FAQ on the Cineform site, I just did another sample export and when played back in media player so that I can output it to the APVe card, there are horizontal lines in the AVI that are NOT there in the project while I'm editing so I am going to call it a night and when I wake up in the AM setup the export with Upper and not Lower and see what happens. I'm not sure about what will happen in the DVD creation process however and that is what has me concerned but I guess that I can now take an Upper and Lower and put them on a disc and see what happens.

Thanks and I'll be in touch.

I cant seem to get scene detect within PPro2 with prospect to work correctly. And I totally totally agree the numbering is a TOTAL pain!!!!!!!! It has screwed up the orders of my clips a few times.

Dave

Help with downloaded file, Aspect HD Upgrade!
 

I went ahead and upgraded my Aspect HD program to v4, and as ususal nothing goes right with me. I pays my moneys and then my troubles begins. :)

I downloaded the file and it comes in as an .asp file. It has .zip at the end of the name, but both my computers say it is an .asp file and don't know how to open.

Help!


mike

I believe that the name of the file should be

AspectHDv423b71dl061016.zip or something to that effect.

Is that what you downloaded?

Yup, that's it but both computers list it as a .asp extension. Names says .zip, physical properties say .asp

This is probably only ME again! :)

Mike

Just open it with an unzipping program and ignore what your PC thinks it is.

Stand by. I trying again. Went into the advanced setting on download maanger and for some reason it was asigning the .asp to the end of the file. Never been inside there before, so lets see if this works. It did not like something in Cineforms name I guess. Let you know in a minute!

Mike

That got it! For some reason the download manager was assigning the first three letters of the file as additional extension. Deleted it and all went well.

If it can happen, it can happen to me.

I would like to talk to you sometime about you work flow with all of this. I upgraded to PPro premium studio a while back and I just got my XLH1 this week. Many changes to be made. I upgraded to v4 Cineform for the scene detect, please tell me it is in there! What are you using for capture? My nice JVC HD deck won't work with the 1080i files of course. Very nice paper weight now!

I need to find a location for a very easy to understand work flow.

Thanks Steven,

Mike

Support for the Black Magic Intensity card in Aspect HD?
 

I am wondering if you plan to support the Black Magic Intensity card in Aspect HD? It would be nice to be able to capture uncompressed streams from the HDMI port with Aspect HD with support for 1920 x 1080 which is available from the HDMI port while simultaneously extracting 24p from the 60i data stream.

If not, have you tested to see if your software can convert the uncompressed AVI files Intensity creates into files that work with Aspect HD. Also, during the conversion, can you extract the 24p information from the 60i AVI file?

This is a link to their product: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity

The Intensity card is not available yet. You can bet we will adding support for this new card in some form.

geforce 7800 or ati x1800 for aspect?
 

hey guys I'm building a new pc that will mostly be for capturing my hd footage and will maybe sometimes use it for editing (I have my big pc that I will do 95% of my editing on). anyway I'm tired of having to wait an hour while just capturing footage so I grabbed some old parts laying around to build this machine. here's the specs for the new pc:

asus p5wdg2-ws mb
intel pentiun D 950 (dual core 3.4ghz)
2gig ddr2 corsair ram
300gig western digital (boot)
2x500gig western digital (raid 0 data capture)

now I have an asus 7800 pci-e and a ati x1800 that arent being used so is either better for capturing with aspect hd for editing with either pp2 or vegas 7 (i have both)? and remember that I will sometimes do some editing when the big machine is rendering.


thanks so much, by far one of the best forums I have ever come across :)

Mark

Both cards will work fine.

It's a little bit off-topic, but consider buying Core Duo (Conroe) instead of Pentium D, it is much faster.

my main editing machine is a core 2 duo 6800. but I cant stand waiting all those hours while just capturing video. the pentium d machine was built out of spare parts that I have mostly for capturing. but I'm having another problem so I'm gonna start another thread for that.

I hate to disagree with you but there appears to be a bug in the ATI drivers that will affect Aspect HD in certain configurations. I had 3 different ATI Radeon PCI express cards and it affected all of them, even with older drivers.

It seems to only be an issue when you have an HD monitor hooked up to the component HD out of the ATI. When editing in Premiere the aspect HD plugin seems to kick in to play differently when scrubbing and when previewing. Most users will agree that they notice an ever so slight delay and flicker of there monitors when hitting the spacebar to watch streaming video from the timeline after scrubbing and vice versa.

However with and external HD monitor hooked up, this preview only works. Scrubbing doesn't. And then it does....and then it doesn't. The ATI seems to have a hard time latching onto whatever the aspect HD drivers are doing. All I would get when scrubbing and applying effects was a black screen on the external TV. If I messed around and switched from scrubbing to streaming really fast it would sometimes come back....but only until I hit the space bar and then the preview would pop up but the scrubbing would stop.

I was never able to resolve this. I have a ticket in with Cineform but there has been no resolution.

This supposedly does not affect your HD out if you are using the DVI to HDTV. Only the component out.

Also, all other apps worked fine.....just premiere and aspect were flaky with the ATI. As great as the ATI card was at everything else, I built this machine to be used with Cineform so it had to go. I got an Nvidia card instead and have had no problems.....but do miss the performance. The nvidia seems to have a hard time driving my HD monitor at 1080i without some stuttering. The ATI never even hiccupped.

For now I have to drop the HD out to 720p for smooth playback. I switch it to 1080i for higher resolution color grading and effects work where playback smoothness is not as critical.

Peace!

Cineform Aspect After Effects Problem....help!
 

A couple months ago I downloaded the trial of Aspect HD. It seemed to cause nothing but problems with Premiere, so I had to uninstall it. Premiere works fine, but oddly enough the Cineform presets still show up in my list.

edit: I did a search for "cineform" on my C drive and found the folder of presets was still located in the Premiere folder. I deleted that, and they are now gone.

My big problem is no After Effects won't open!

As soon as I try and open it, I receive this message (see attachment). Upon clicking anything, AE crashes. I can't even move that window without it locking up.

I've uninstalled the software....it doesn't show up in the list in my add/remove programs box...how do I get this out of my system? I can't find any cineform folders in the AE folder, and I have tried reinstalling the software.

I'm not afraid of using regedit if someone can give me a list of what files aspect HD puts in there.

Thanks!

Somehow you original install was bad as the uninstall typically removes everything. The only components AE may still be using is the CFHDIO.aex module within the AE plugins folder and CFHD.dll within windows/system32. Of course if you install the latest version of Aspect HD will likely find
no more issues. If you want another 15-day trial yet me know.

Cineform's Aspect HD doubts
 

I just downloaded a trial version of the latest Cineform's Aspect HD for Premiere Pro 2.0 and I simply love it, but I have a couple of doubts before I buy it.

1- I have 2 desktops and one laptop at home. Do I have to buy individual copies for each computer or can I install it on all 3?

2- Lets say I format my hard drive and I have to reinstall every software I have again. Would this generate any problems? (because I would have to activate Aspect HD again, right?).

3- I notice that when I'm color correcting footage or applying effects (magic bullet for instance) I can view the results straight away while I'm doing it without having to wait any time at all...but when I hit play on the timeline the output video does not display the video with the color correction/effects I just applied, it simply plays the original version. I don't know if this is just the trial version or if this is normal on the original version too. Because when I color correct with premiere pro without Aspect Hd I can hit play and view the video with all the color correction/effects I've just done (depending on the effects it may be displayed jumpy, but IT does allow me to play the video with the effects).

Anyway, I don't know if there's anything else I should know. I'm using an AMD dual 64 +3800, 2GB ram, 3 separate HDs, Premiere Pro 2.0, oh and I would be editing 25F from the Canon A1.

1. In many experience, for Aspect, yes you'll have to buy individual copies. Although you can install the decoder on all three machines.

2. You simply deactivate the software before you format the hard disk, then it becomes free to activate again on another machine. If the PC dies before you can deactivate (I had two CineForm-equipped units die at the tail-end of last year) then contact CineForm support and they'll help - support from CineForm is generally excellent in my experience.

3. No idea about your specific situation, but that does sound odd. Aspect's effects are real-time, that's one of the reasons why the product is so excellent when it comes to editing. With regards to trial version vs full version, the trial is fully featured and the full version will react in the same way. That said you might like to try reinstalling the trial because what you are describing doesn't sound right to me.

Rafael, cineform support's response time is top notch. You can transfer the license at will, and the server responds almost immediately (had a couple times where it took 24hr, otherwise, it was more like a minute).

This license is like the dongle that you never have to carry around or lose, or more like a having a combination lock vs. one requiring a physical key. (You have to get into the habit of remembering to transfer the license).

If you ever run into licensing issues, or something goes amiss on the machine, they can reset the server database so you can reactive the license.

If it wasn't for cineform, I'd have dropped Premiere Pro completely and moved on to something else... something more expensive.

1. That was answered a few days ago here : http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=87877 -- you will need at least two licenses for three installations.

2. You can easy move the license with a deactivation.

3. Unfortunately third party filters are not accelaratored by Aspect HD. Aspect HD provides the core RT filters for 99% of most production work. Other filters can be used and scrubbed for preview but they need to be render for output.

Thanks guys. I'm simply amazed by aspect hd. This software is amazing. As soon as I have some cash to spare I will buy it for sure. The footage simply
"flies" on the timeline. It's unbelievable how fast it gets...not only with premiere, but with after effect (which is usually way slower than premiere) everything is so freaking smooth. I love it!

Aspect HD and Quicktime files
 

Has any captured in final Cut to quicktime and used Premiere to edit with Aspect HD. I have a sitution that I am going to be shooting with the JVC HD100. I can not take the camera back to my edit suite so I was going to have the owner of the camera capture the tapes to a harddrive before I left for home 3 hours away. How should he capture the files? Will this work? I guess the other big question if the guy downloaded the Beta for Mac could I then open the files in premiere given that I am using Aspect and the Mac is going to be Prospect product. I think that is right.

The files generated on the Mac can only open under Prospect HD today. For Aspect HD we will likely offer the MOV to AVI conversion through HDLink.

One more question
 

So can I use HD link for this now or in the future Nevermind I get it not now but in the future

If you installed QuickTime Alternative (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm) you might be able to convert Mac created CineForm MOVs to AVI using Aspect HD HDlink. That is untested.

Is anyone using Aspect HD with Premiere Pro on a P4?
 

Is anyone getting away with using Aspect HD with Premiere Pro on a P4? I know this represents the very lowest minimum system requirements, but I have a 2.6 Ghz Win XP system and was wondering if it would run Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 that I already have on there assuming my hard drives are fast enough 7200 rpm and with a Gig and a quarter of ram.

I ran Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 2.0 on a 3GHz P4 up until late last year. So yes, it works. I had run with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 prior to that.

Same here; I used to run a P4 3.00 with 2GB of RAM. It'll work, but my experience was that even with AspectHD more than a couple of longer tracks started to bog it down. I'm pretty sure a 2.6 will work acceptably if the project doesn't get too complex.

But honestly, getting yourself a Core2 system is a relative bargain and will make life in HD-land so much happier, especially if you do complex projects or any After Effects work!