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David Taylor May 21st, 2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Gunn (Post 682899)
Is it not possible to purchase a DVD version of Aspect HD ver 5.0? Or is it solely for download only?

Jim, we have eliminated the CD version of our products.

Giroud, it is for exactly the reason you state. We typically offer updates every few weeks (feature improvements / bug fixes) which renders the CD useless. You can always grab the latest version directly from our website. Our "update" releases are (so far) always full releases, not incremental updates.

Jon Jaschob May 23rd, 2007 12:58 AM

Aspect HD and Neo Player?
 
Can these two get along on the same machine?
What about distribution with Cineform HD avi files on CD/DVD?
Thanks,
Jon

Richard Leadbetter May 23rd, 2007 04:35 AM

Aspect HD already has all the NEO components built into it. So there's no point in installing NEO on an Aspect machine. Indeed, there's a strong possibility you might kill off the VFW encoder by doing so as you would be replacing an encoder/decoder with a decoder only.

If you want distribute CineForm files on CD or DVD you can just add the NEO Player code to it too in order for the receiving party to be able to run the AVIs easily.

David Taylor May 23rd, 2007 09:18 AM

Awesome answer Richard - thanks. In fact I'll further emphasize that you never want to install multiple CineForm products on the same machine as they may likely conflict.

You can use AHD on your machine, then either put NEO Player on your CD or other deliverable as Richard suggests, or simply point people to our website.

Jon Jaschob May 23rd, 2007 10:04 AM

Thanks guys,
Jon

Mark Sanford May 29th, 2007 08:47 PM

Question about uninstalling Aspect 4
 
After loading the Neo player on my XP machine I was going to update my Aspect v4 to the latest v4.3.1 (Build 76). However when attempting to first uninstall my current version of Aspect HD (as directed) Windows instead took out Neo and apparently the uninst.exe for Aspect as well. Aspect HD remains functional but without automatic uninstall.
My question: what, if any, files should I leave in the directory before manually uninstalling Aspect?
Thanks

David Newman May 29th, 2007 09:27 PM

Just install the new Aspect HD directly over the top, you will give everything you need that way.

Mark Sanford May 30th, 2007 09:28 AM

thanks
 
Thank you, David, for your prompt response. Overwriting the old version worked fine.

Greg Schlueter May 31st, 2007 06:03 PM

Aspect HDV running slow on jacked system... any help?!
 
I'm a relatively new user of AspectHd - have latest installed on PP2 (latest update). I'm running a quad-core system... 4MB Ram, 0-Raid on capture/scratch/output (600GB Total)... Thus far I have not noted a great difference in HDV-to-SD workflow "Option A" (outputting from timeline to AVI, importing that AVI into a newly created 720:480 project, exporting through Adobe Media Encoder) and "Option B" (direct output from timeline via Adobe Media Encoder to SD 720:480), and thus have been opting for Option B for simplicity [this is for 60i- of course, for 24p only HDLink capture supports 3:2 pulldown...]

QUESTIONS:'
1)What is an expected render time-- right now a nearly 1 hr. project says it's going to take 5 hours;
2) I noted in capture settings, grayed-out area specifying Cineform (etc.)... and "upper field" (also grayed-- odd, b/c that's PAL and my cam is not the PAL version...)- should I then output upper-field first? Should I switch field dominance in tracks for scrubbing/playback? A brief eye-test didn't demonstrate a huge difference.
3) In editing, I'm not getting RT playback with multiple layers and affects without needing to render... at most one layer with a transition-- an example would be cropping, blurring, motion or color correction... would require rendering.

ANY HELP APPRECIATED! THANKS!

David Newman May 31st, 2007 06:56 PM

Sorry, I'm not sure what is happening. You are using a CineForm preset? All capture data should be captured into a CineForm AVI from a CineForm preset within Premiere, or externally captured/converted with HDLink. Only CineForm filters and transitions are real-time, with addition real-time support for dissolves, motion, opacity and graphics/titles layers. On you PC you should be 5+ streams for real-time HD playback. While the manual is a bit odd (new version going online tomorrow or Monday) it will point some of this out. Both CineForm capture within Premiere and HDLink support 3:2 pulldown extraction -- you are missing something there.


1) Render time are primarily depending on Premiere's render engine and the format you are exporting to. MPEG/WMV9 output will be slow, most HD distrubtion exports are. Aspect HD doesn't accelerate exports too much, that would require hardware. There is a minor advantage in not having to decode MPEG, yet the parent application (Premiere) is slow enough on renders that to difference is not major. Aspect HD is designed for a high quality immediate with wide compatibility and accelerated editing.

2) If you capturing HD, the field dominance is known -- all interlace HD sources are top field first. Only exports should you be concerned with field dominance.

3) Operation like crop and blur are not supported in real-time. On the Aspect HD filter and transition folders are real-time.

Mark Leonard June 4th, 2007 10:59 AM

*.mov captures in aspect 5...
 
I see the mov is an option instead of the cineform avi's. I'm guessing quality is same for capturing with either? using pp2 for my editing (besides the obvious extension difference), any advantages of going mov?

thanks

David Newman June 4th, 2007 11:08 AM

Only if you want to do 10-bit in Combustion, as it only support 8-bit via AVI. Or if you what to put CineForm clips on the Mac. Stick with AVI, then convert to MOV using HDLink for the clips you need in that format.

Marty Hudzik June 5th, 2007 02:12 PM

update process for Aspect 5.0?
 
How does the update process work from Aspect HD 4 to 5? I am not talking about the pricing....I am inquiring about the activation. Do I need to de-activate Aspect 4 on my system before installing 5? Also, if I have a copy of 4 on my office PC will it be compatible with projects that I take on my laptop with aspect 5? Or do both need to be updated? Also, does 5 still have the luxury of 2 activations like 4 did?


I edit in my office 1/2 the time and then I travel and edit on my laptop the other 1/2 but working on the same project files. The budget does not allow for us to purchase 2 copies of Aspect so AHD4 is doing the trick for now.

Thanks.

David Newman June 5th, 2007 02:42 PM

Uninstalling Aspect HD v4 is recommended, but you don't not need to de-activate. Aspect HD v5 allows two installs, just like Aspect HD v4. Aspect HD v5 data is currently backward compatible with v4, but this may not always be the case -- do not confuse , v5 will always load v4 files, but not necessarily the other away around.

Gildo Houtekamer June 7th, 2007 05:14 AM

Allowing 2 installs..?
 
How is this possible?
My install is locked to a number on my pc.

Marty Hudzik June 7th, 2007 05:33 AM

David has said in the past that it will allow you to activate it 2 times before it requires you to deactivate and install again. I have had Aspect 4 on my workstation and laptop for about a year now. I never use them at the same time. I travel and take my projects with me on a portable hard drive to work on while I am away. This "feature" has saved my butt and I am personally glad that it is there as the budget where I work would not accomodate two copies at this time. I know it's not that much money but when I convince them to spend $649 for an upgrade to Adobe software that includes 6-7 full blown programs, they look at me cross-eyed when they hear Aspect is $499.

They have it in their mind that it is "just" a plug-in and how can it cost 3/4 of what the entire software suite costs?

So again. I am thankful for this little known feature.

Peace.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gildo Houtekamer (Post 693238)
How is this possible?


My install is locked to a number on my pc.


Gildo Houtekamer June 7th, 2007 07:50 AM

Thanks for the info, very glad to hear it!

David, can you confirm please?

David Newman June 7th, 2007 08:11 AM

Confirmed, our licensing server allows for two activations -- however you official only own one, we just add this flexibility to handle range of situations.

Marty Hudzik June 7th, 2007 08:20 AM

Thanks Dave. Hope I wasn't spilling the beans on anything that shouldn't be known. It is good to know that there is some fexibility with these products and they are worth the cost.

Dustin Kersnowski June 14th, 2007 12:29 PM

Aspect HD problem with After Effects
 
When using Cineform AVIs in an After Effects 7 Comp the rendered footage will randomly turn black.

The Comp is 720 24P.
I have six layers from 5 differnet Cineform AVI clips with effects applied to them. They all have a Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them.

It doesn't matter if I render WMVs or Cineform AVIs.

David Newman June 14th, 2007 01:00 PM

We have many AE users, so something else must be happening. Your question might be easily answered if you listed your product version, and whether you are using the Video for Windows importer or the CineForm AEIO importer. Please file a friendly ticket at cineform.com/support

Marty Baggen June 14th, 2007 03:23 PM

WMP playback aspect
 
I 'm sort of certain I'm not losing it... but anything's possible.

When launch an Aspect HD .AVI for playback in Windows Media Player (version 11), the picture is in a 4:3 aspect.

It seems like in the past, when previewing my Aspect captures, WMP would display in the correct aspect without any changes in its settings?

David Newman June 14th, 2007 03:48 PM

MediaPlayer 11 is a little broken. For some reason it is using the older VFW codec rather than DirectShow on some systems, causing this issue. Try using Media Player Classic (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...r_Classic.htm), it is much nicer than WMP11.

K. Tessman June 14th, 2007 06:32 PM

Do these black drops happen on discrete clips, or randomly mid-clip? If the former, what other filters are you applying?

If you transcode your CFHD clip to another 720p format and replace it in the comp, do the drops still happen?

Have you tweaked or otherwise attempted to optimize AE's memory management? I've observed that Look Suite can be pretty twitchy in that regard.

Have you checked the render logs? I've seen this happen (particularly when invoking from the command-line) when a particular filter depends on an outboard DLL that, for whatever reason, it can't find at render-time.

All of these can help diagnose what is or isn't happening.

Salah Baker June 14th, 2007 06:36 PM

"Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them"
hmmmmmmm have you asked them about your Lic file?

Marty Baggen June 14th, 2007 06:47 PM

Thanks David.

Tim Holtermann June 15th, 2007 09:11 AM

Have you tried the same thing with all the filters turned off to make sure it's not a 3rd party filter issue?

John Palaganas June 22nd, 2007 07:29 PM

Aspect HD files won't play on VLC Player?
 
I can't play an AVI captured with Aspect HD on VLC Player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) It can only play the audio. I also installed NEO player installed.

Salah Baker June 22nd, 2007 07:53 PM

you shouldnt install neo player and aspect

David Newman June 22nd, 2007 08:33 PM

Yes, NEO Player will down-grade Aspect HD slighty (Video for Windows codec will no longer encode.) Uninstall NEO Player, then reinstall Aspect HD.

VLC doesn't support DirectShow or Vfw, or any third party codec, only open source decoders are implemented (it still a nice player for those codecs.) Get the Media Player Classic for a good all-round player.

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...er_Classic.htm

John Palaganas June 22nd, 2007 10:28 PM

Thanks! How do I uninstall NeoPlayer properly? It didn't come with an uninstall program though. Any help?

David Newman June 22nd, 2007 10:59 PM

It should have in Start Menu -> Programs -> CineForm -> Neo Player. If not just use Add & Remove Programs from the control panel.

Wayne Johnson June 23rd, 2007 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman (Post 701323)
Yes, NEO Player will down-grade Aspect HD slighty (Video for Windows codec will no longer encode.) Uninstall NEO Player, then reinstall Aspect HD.

VLC doesn't support DirectShow or Vfw, or any third party codec, only open source decoders are implemented (it still a nice player for those codecs.) Get the Media Player Classic for a good all-round player.

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...er_Classic.htm

I uninstalled VLC Player long ago in favor of Media Player Classic. It plays Cineform AVIs, but I strongly suspect that it uses the wrong field dominance. Same with M2T files. Since I can't prove it, I haven't made an issue of it. Anyone else suspect a field dominance problem?

Marty Baggen July 3rd, 2007 08:59 AM

After Effects 7 Stumbles with Aspect 4.3 Update
 
After updating to Aspect 4.3, After Effects 7 is unable to load the CFHDIO.aex file.

It is present in the plug-ins folder.

I have re-installed the update, but no change.

David Newman July 3rd, 2007 09:03 AM

There is a registry switch to turns the AE importer on for Aspect HD (default is off for AHD and on for PHD.) Please ask support as I can't remember what it is.

Marty Baggen July 3rd, 2007 09:16 AM

Thanks David... I have submitted a ticket and will post the results if it will be of help to others.

Do you have any special plans for celebrating your 3000th post?

If you were a baseball player, you'd be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

Paul Kepen July 8th, 2007 11:41 PM

Aspect 5 with PPro 1.5 and Vegas?
 
Hi David, I currently have Aspect 4, Premiere Pro 1.5.1, and Vegas 7. I purchase Aspect because it included the HDlink, so I was covered for both Vegas and Premier. If I upgrade to Aspect 5, will it still work with Premiere 1.5.1? Does it still have the HDlink (or Neo equivelent) to work with Vegas?
I like being able to use Aspect with both of these NLE's, and will be happy to upgrade to version 5 if it will still do this. I use Vegas more then Premiere, so if Aspect won't support both, is there an upgrade path for me from Aspect to Neo?
Thanks - PK

David Newman July 9th, 2007 08:45 AM

Aspect HD 5 has everything you need for both Vegas and Adobe tools (including 1.5.1 support.)

Paul Kepen July 9th, 2007 10:59 AM

Thanks David
 
Thanks David for the quick response. I will be placing my upgrade order today. I am sorry to bother you with these questions, but on the Cineform web site it only states that v5 works with PPro 2 and CS3, no mention of 1.5. Also with the product change from HDLink to Neo, I was not sure if Aspect 5 would work with Vegas, so Thanks for the good news - PK

Marty Baggen July 12th, 2007 08:23 AM

After Effects 7 and Aspect 4.32 (77)
 
After updating to 4.32 build 77, After Effects 7 would notify that the CFHDIO.aex could not be loaded.

No such problem with previous versions of Aspect.

I have gone through trouble ticket process and tried a couple of solutions to no avail. The error prompt still occurs.

Today, out of frustration... I simply ok'd from the error message for the loading of the Cineform codec, and proceeded.

Oddly enough, I can load and export Cineform AVIs.

A situation where things are working, but something isn't quite right.


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