What is Cineform's ProRes 4444 equivalent? Cineform, CS5, and Mac questions. at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > CineForm Software Showcase

CineForm Software Showcase
Cross platform digital intermediates for independent filmmakers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 24th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 92
What is Cineform's ProRes 4444 equivalent? Cineform, CS5, and Mac questions.

Hey guys,

I asked this on the Adobe CS forum and was told I'd get a better response here! I'm on a Mac and currently have an old laptop with CS4 + FCS. I'd like to switch from Final Cut to an all-Adobe workflow when I upgrade to CS5 (and a new Mac), but I'm wondering what to use instead of the ProRes 4444 codec for work that requires the absolute best quality.

It seems to me the obvious answer is Cineform, but this begs a few questions:

1) Isn't this a huge advantage for Apple over Adobe, that good "visually lossless" codecs are included free with Final Cut Studio, and the equivalent (Neo HD) is a $500 add-on for Adobe?

2) Can you edit ProRes files without problems in Premiere Pro CS5?

3) If you do use Cineform files, is Premiere Pro using all of its acceleration abilities (Mercury Playback Engine)?

Thanks for any insights here -- I've been using a Final Cut to AE workflow for the past couple of years and could continue to do so, except it would seem to make sense to switch to PPro given CS5 has MPE and other advantages. Thanks very much!
Ryan Koo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24th, 2010, 03:20 PM   #2
CTO, CineForm Inc.
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
Posts: 8,095
1) A question for Adobe.

2) You can, yet ProRES is not free, will cost you a FCStudio seat. CineForm is less expensive. :) Plus CineForm is better than ProRES -- a $500 investiment in NeoHD give you much more than a Codec (if you only want a codec, NeoScene is $129 with basically the same codec as NeoHD.) For 4444 you are looking at Neo4K.

3) Mercury acceleration is supported.
__________________
David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com
blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman
David Newman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24th, 2010, 07:26 PM   #3
Trustee
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Coronado Island
Posts: 1,472
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Koo View Post
1) Isn't this a huge advantage for Apple over Adobe, that good "visually lossless" codecs are included free with Final Cut Studio, and the equivalent (Neo HD) is a $500 add-on for Adobe?
I think it's in the eye of the beholder:
Adobe seems to have taken the route (64 bit software, CUDA enabled MPE, etc.) geared towards effective editing in native acquisition codecs. Lots of customers prefer this rather than editing with a digital intermediate.
I believe that Apple provided Prores in order to work around FCP issues with native codecs.
So, I'm thinking just two different approaches to the same problems.
In my book, Cineform + CS5 is the best of all worlds :)
__________________
Bob
Robert Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 28th, 2010, 04:07 PM   #4
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 92
Thanks guys. I would expect Apple to come out with Open CL-enabled GPU acceleration in their next version of FCS, but we'll see.

David -- glad to know Mercury acceleration is supported. Since I'm shopping for an editing machine, to clarify -- by "supported," you do mean it will be using CS5's nVidia GPU acceleration features? That affects which GPU I purchase, obviously. Thanks again.
Ryan Koo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 28th, 2010, 05:11 PM   #5
CTO, CineForm Inc.
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
Posts: 8,095
Yes you can do a real-time glassian blur :) Many of the Mecury features I don't need as I already had real-time color correction with FirstLight, but all GPU acceleration will work with CineForm presets and source files.
__________________
David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com
blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman
David Newman is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > CineForm Software Showcase

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:17 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network