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Rafael Lopes · January 28th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Ok, so basically this is what I need to be able to do:

- Convert AVCHD files from my Sony NEx-5N to cineforms´ format
- Open cineform projects on Premiere CS5
- Use cineforms´ effects to maximize productivity instead of using Premieres´effects (or magic bullets´ to a certain extent)

I´ve downloaded Neoscene and I can convert the files to cineforms´ format but I don´t see any cineform project templates on Premiere nor are there any cineform effects on the video effect list on Premiere. Which version of cineform do I need for this?

Taky Cheung · January 28th, 2012, 09:53 PM

In their Pre-GoPro era, NeoHD would be best for what you need as it comes with Premiere timeline presets. It's selling at $249 at videoguys.com. I paid $399 March 2011..

David Newman · January 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM

CineForm Studio Premiere has all the features of the old NeoHD and much more for $299.

Rafael Lopes · January 29th, 2012, 07:04 AM

Is there any other less expensive alternative? Taking in consideration how little video work I do these days paying us$300 is not really a very wise investment. Is there any intermediate solution?

Taky Cheung · January 29th, 2012, 09:52 AM

You can stick with NeoScene for $100. There is also Matrox HD codec you can use for free.
Matrox I-Frame Intermedia HD Codec | L.A. Color Blog

Both NeoScene and Matrox won't get you any editing acceleration

I also put together a tutorial to edit with Matrox codec
How to Edit DSLR Footage in Premiere Pro CS4 | L.A. Color Blog

Rafael Lopes · January 29th, 2012, 10:19 AM

Thanks, but it´s not clear to me what is the point of the matrox codec if it won´t help me with editing acceleration.

Taky Cheung · January 29th, 2012, 10:26 AM

I can tell you now, it won't have any editing acceleration. But you want it cheap.Nothing is cheaper than free =)

I might be wrong, I think you can edit with those AVCHD files from NEX-5N directly with CS5. I have the same camera.

Rafael Lopes · January 29th, 2012, 10:39 AM

Yes, you can edit the NEXs´avchd files directly on premiere but AVCHD is not the smoothest format to edit.
I got curious about what benefits of the matrox codec though....could you elaborate?

Taky Cheung · January 29th, 2012, 10:43 AM

Matrox HD Codec was used to be locked to be used with Matrox hardware codec only. I still have the Matrox RTX2 card so I know the codec are in high quality.

In CS4 it won't edit DSLR .mov files natively. That's why I start converting those h.264 mov files to Matrox AVI. But now in CS5, DSLR MOV is supported natvely.

It's exactly what you said, AVCHD isnt' the smoothest video format to edit. Matrox codec has the I-Frame which is better for editing.

Rafael Lopes · January 29th, 2012, 11:05 AM

Many thanks for the tips, Taky.

January 28th, 2012, 04:23 PM	#1
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Which one to get? Ok, so basically this is what I need to be able to do: - Convert AVCHD files from my Sony NEx-5N to cineforms´ format - Open cineform projects on Premiere CS5 - Use cineforms´ effects to maximize productivity instead of using Premieres´effects (or magic bullets´ to a certain extent) I´ve downloaded Neoscene and I can convert the files to cineforms´ format but I don´t see any cineform project templates on Premiere nor are there any cineform effects on the video effect list on Premiere. Which version of cineform do I need for this?

January 28th, 2012, 09:53 PM	#2
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: Which one to get? In their Pre-GoPro era, NeoHD would be best for what you need as it comes with Premiere timeline presets. It's selling at $249 at videoguys.com. I paid $399 March 2011.. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

January 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: Which one to get? CineForm Studio Premiere has all the features of the old NeoHD and much more for $299. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 29th, 2012, 07:04 AM	#4
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Re: Which one to get? Is there any other less expensive alternative? Taking in consideration how little video work I do these days paying us$300 is not really a very wise investment. Is there any intermediate solution?

January 29th, 2012, 09:52 AM	#5
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: Which one to get? You can stick with NeoScene for $100. There is also Matrox HD codec you can use for free. Matrox I-Frame Intermedia HD Codec \| L.A. Color Blog Both NeoScene and Matrox won't get you any editing acceleration I also put together a tutorial to edit with Matrox codec How to Edit DSLR Footage in Premiere Pro CS4 \| L.A. Color Blog __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

January 29th, 2012, 10:19 AM	#6
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Re: Which one to get? Thanks, but it´s not clear to me what is the point of the matrox codec if it won´t help me with editing acceleration.

January 29th, 2012, 10:26 AM	#7
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: Which one to get? I can tell you now, it won't have any editing acceleration. But you want it cheap.Nothing is cheaper than free =) I might be wrong, I think you can edit with those AVCHD files from NEX-5N directly with CS5. I have the same camera. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

January 29th, 2012, 10:39 AM	#8
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Re: Which one to get? Yes, you can edit the NEXs´avchd files directly on premiere but AVCHD is not the smoothest format to edit. I got curious about what benefits of the matrox codec though....could you elaborate?

January 29th, 2012, 10:43 AM	#9
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: Which one to get? Matrox HD Codec was used to be locked to be used with Matrox hardware codec only. I still have the Matrox RTX2 card so I know the codec are in high quality. In CS4 it won't edit DSLR .mov files natively. That's why I start converting those h.264 mov files to Matrox AVI. But now in CS5, DSLR MOV is supported natvely. It's exactly what you said, AVCHD isnt' the smoothest video format to edit. Matrox codec has the I-Frame which is better for editing. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

January 29th, 2012, 11:05 AM	#10
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Re: Which one to get? Many thanks for the tips, Taky.