TIP - Export to DVD from PPro Timeline

Joel Corral · December 28th, 2005, 07:41 PM

great! i didn't see a disagreement...

happy editing :)

Daniel Rudd · December 28th, 2005, 08:41 PM

Thanks David, Dave, Joel, and Michael:

I appreciate all the help. I think we've all discovered that surviving in the world of low cost digital video requires approaching many tasks from different angles.

Of course, getting a great product in the hands of your client after you've slaved for months, is a pretty high priority for all of us. So let's entertain all possibilities.

Maybe a few of us can do some comparisons.

David, as requested, I will start this as a fresh post. Let's go from there everyone.

Thanks for your quick responses.

Dave Campbell · December 28th, 2005, 08:48 PM

Daniel, I found that as I was asking questions to David, we were not on the same page a number of times. This caused me to restart many times.

One thing I learned is I never will put DV material in an HD project again!!!!

The way I ended up using was do a std DV project for the DV clips I needed.
I then did a HD project for the HD stuff. I then used CFHD to convert the HD into SD. I then made a new project with both sets of these clips.

I also no longer will use AME. Just too many issues that I could never figure out, where procoder worked perfect.

There are not many of us on the bleeding edge. This is why this site is great to share info, and hopefully save some folks time!!

Another key trick, USE SCENE DETECT when you import clips!

Dave

Daniel Rudd · December 28th, 2005, 09:17 PM

AME?

Also, I thought Scene Detect was just capture clips according to where you start and stop your camera. Is this correct?

Dave Campbell · December 28th, 2005, 09:51 PM

AME is adobe media encoder.

Yep, scene detect makes one clip per stop start. This way NO AUDIO lipsync issues!! Plus, it is so much easier to edit this way!!

Dave

Daniel Rudd · December 29th, 2005, 07:19 AM

I see. Thanks for the tip.
My type of production hasn't required me to capture anything very long, so I hadn't had any issues with lip sync yet. I usually only capture about 20% of the footage on my tapes so most of that is taken care of when I use batch capture. I will keep this in mind though.

Daniel

Anton Galimzyanov · January 23rd, 2006, 05:30 AM

Hi

Is this my own experience, or someone else's too?
During export (exactly as Cineform's site says) I scale down to 720x576 (PAL) with pixel aspect ratio 1.422, and final result looks terrible. Sure it's not a field issue, rather a cineform's bad down-sampling engine: I mean ugly jaggy edges on high contrast material.

As opposite, I prepare Cineform AVI (w/o resizing), create an ordinary standart widescreeen project, put a file here and resize it to 53,4 %, then I reverse field dominance (in file properties) and export a timeline - final result is always excellent!

It was in 3.4 version, and now in 4.0..
Am I doing something wrong?

Joel Corral · January 23rd, 2006, 10:06 AM

Anton,

That’s exactly what i do!!! Finally someone agrees with me! Everyone thought i was crazy i didn't explain myself clearly in previous posts... Glad you are finding excellent results with the method you (we) are using!!!

Joel

Dave Campbell · January 23rd, 2006, 10:38 AM

I look forward to Davids comments.

Dave

Joel Corral · January 23rd, 2006, 11:21 AM

David has already addressed this method earlier.. He did not agree but i think it is because he used the method i explained wrong...

So I urge David to please try again with the proper method!!!

Joel

Anton Galimzyanov · January 23rd, 2006, 03:06 PM

yes, this method (Joel's and mine :-) beats cineform's downscaling so far.
I'm just wondering don't anybody see the difference here?! Just compare two rendered files - the result is obvious.
Even Liquid's render engine downscales CFHD files far better. Another great method is to render to the targa sequence, then downscale the sequence using Photoshop (batch, of course) then put the changed targa sequence back into premiere and render once again. But it's not the easiest method, I swear :)
So just do it like Joel and me, and keep waiting for a great downscaler from cineform people. Oh don't get me wrong guys - your program is amazing, i love it so much.

Joel Corral · January 23rd, 2006, 03:57 PM

I am pleased to see that some one agrees!!! i spent a lot of time using many different methods....

Joel

Josema Herraiz · February 3rd, 2006, 03:37 AM

I have tried Joel Corral´s method and I got the best results so far!
Thank you Joel! (very much)
Cineform downconverting method simply doesn´t work to me. And it´s not
a field-order problem. It´s so frustrating spending so much time in something
so little creative...
Regards
Josema Herráiz

Dave Campbell · February 3rd, 2006, 08:12 AM

Joel, you ever get any thoughts from cineform on this yet?

Dave

Joel Corral · February 3rd, 2006, 02:00 PM

nope... I think they think I don't know what I am doing because when i first posted this thread I explained how to do this but I was wrong, the key is to load the HDV file in a SD timeline in Ppro then on the timeline choose reverse fields dominance.. Then export lower fields first to a sd avi file.
eariler i said to reverse field in a cineform HDV timeline... oops wont work like that. needs to be in a SD timeline...

and of course you need to resize the footage to fit.. :)

joel

December 28th, 2005, 08:41 PM	#17
Daniel Rudd Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Muskegon, MI Posts: 213	Thanks Everyone Thanks David, Dave, Joel, and Michael: I appreciate all the help. I think we've all discovered that surviving in the world of low cost digital video requires approaching many tasks from different angles. Of course, getting a great product in the hands of your client after you've slaved for months, is a pretty high priority for all of us. So let's entertain all possibilities. Maybe a few of us can do some comparisons. David, as requested, I will start this as a fresh post. Let's go from there everyone. Thanks for your quick responses. __________________ Daniel Rudd Digital Storyteller (Sony HDV, Aspect HD) Soundtrack Creation & Royalty Free Music Production www.stock20.com

December 28th, 2005, 09:17 PM	#19
Daniel Rudd Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Muskegon, MI Posts: 213	AME? Also, I thought Scene Detect was just capture clips according to where you start and stop your camera. Is this correct? __________________ Daniel Rudd Digital Storyteller (Sony HDV, Aspect HD) Soundtrack Creation & Royalty Free Music Production www.stock20.com

December 29th, 2005, 07:19 AM	#21
Daniel Rudd Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Muskegon, MI Posts: 213	I see. Thanks for the tip. My type of production hasn't required me to capture anything very long, so I hadn't had any issues with lip sync yet. I usually only capture about 20% of the footage on my tapes so most of that is taken care of when I use batch capture. I will keep this in mind though. Daniel __________________ Daniel Rudd Digital Storyteller (Sony HDV, Aspect HD) Soundtrack Creation & Royalty Free Music Production www.stock20.com

February 3rd, 2006, 03:37 AM	#28
Josema Herraiz New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 17	Thank you Joel! I have tried Joel Corral´s method and I got the best results so far! Thank you Joel! (very much) Cineform downconverting method simply doesn´t work to me. And it´s not a field-order problem. It´s so frustrating spending so much time in something so little creative... Regards Josema Herráiz

December 28th, 2005, 07:41 PM	#16
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	great! i didn't see a disagreement... happy editing :)

December 28th, 2005, 08:48 PM	#18
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Daniel, I found that as I was asking questions to David, we were not on the same page a number of times. This caused me to restart many times. One thing I learned is I never will put DV material in an HD project again!!!! The way I ended up using was do a std DV project for the DV clips I needed. I then did a HD project for the HD stuff. I then used CFHD to convert the HD into SD. I then made a new project with both sets of these clips. I also no longer will use AME. Just too many issues that I could never figure out, where procoder worked perfect. There are not many of us on the bleeding edge. This is why this site is great to share info, and hopefully save some folks time!! Another key trick, USE SCENE DETECT when you import clips! Dave

December 28th, 2005, 09:51 PM	#20
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	AME is adobe media encoder. Yep, scene detect makes one clip per stop start. This way NO AUDIO lipsync issues!! Plus, it is so much easier to edit this way!! Dave

January 23rd, 2006, 05:30 AM	#22
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	Hi Is this my own experience, or someone else's too? During export (exactly as Cineform's site says) I scale down to 720x576 (PAL) with pixel aspect ratio 1.422, and final result looks terrible. Sure it's not a field issue, rather a cineform's bad down-sampling engine: I mean ugly jaggy edges on high contrast material. As opposite, I prepare Cineform AVI (w/o resizing), create an ordinary standart widescreeen project, put a file here and resize it to 53,4 %, then I reverse field dominance (in file properties) and export a timeline - final result is always excellent! It was in 3.4 version, and now in 4.0.. Am I doing something wrong?

January 23rd, 2006, 10:06 AM	#23
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	Anton, That’s exactly what i do!!! Finally someone agrees with me! Everyone thought i was crazy i didn't explain myself clearly in previous posts... Glad you are finding excellent results with the method you (we) are using!!! Joel

January 23rd, 2006, 10:38 AM	#24
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	I look forward to Davids comments. Dave

January 23rd, 2006, 11:21 AM	#25
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	David has already addressed this method earlier.. He did not agree but i think it is because he used the method i explained wrong... So I urge David to please try again with the proper method!!! Joel

January 23rd, 2006, 03:06 PM	#26
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	yes, this method (Joel's and mine :-) beats cineform's downscaling so far. I'm just wondering don't anybody see the difference here?! Just compare two rendered files - the result is obvious. Even Liquid's render engine downscales CFHD files far better. Another great method is to render to the targa sequence, then downscale the sequence using Photoshop (batch, of course) then put the changed targa sequence back into premiere and render once again. But it's not the easiest method, I swear :) So just do it like Joel and me, and keep waiting for a great downscaler from cineform people. Oh don't get me wrong guys - your program is amazing, i love it so much.

January 23rd, 2006, 03:57 PM	#27
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	I am pleased to see that some one agrees!!! i spent a lot of time using many different methods.... Joel

February 3rd, 2006, 08:12 AM	#29
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Joel, you ever get any thoughts from cineform on this yet? Dave

February 3rd, 2006, 02:00 PM	#30
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	nope... I think they think I don't know what I am doing because when i first posted this thread I explained how to do this but I was wrong, the key is to load the HDV file in a SD timeline in Ppro then on the timeline choose reverse fields dominance.. Then export lower fields first to a sd avi file. eariler i said to reverse field in a cineform HDV timeline... oops wont work like that. needs to be in a SD timeline... and of course you need to resize the footage to fit.. :) joel