Convert 60i to 23.976 in Aspect at DVinfo.net

Michael Stewart · June 13th, 2006, 10:35 PM

Is this done with HDlink or within Premiere Pro 2? How?

Thanks
Mike

David Newman · June 13th, 2006, 11:17 PM

It is done in HDlink. If you select Remove 3-2 pull-down and deinterlace within HDLink, you will get a 23.976p output that is quite effective.

Michael Stewart · June 14th, 2006, 07:12 AM

Thanks David!

Mike

Jeff Baker · September 23rd, 2006, 06:09 PM

I see there is an option to de-interlace 1080i footage in Aspect 4.21 from within Premiere Pro 2 now (don't know how long it has been there). Does it work? Do I setup a 24p PPRO 2.0 project before capturing?

How do the results compare to MB or Vegas (other than being much faster I would hope).

Thanks.

David Newman · September 24th, 2006, 10:17 AM

I would hope it worked if we put it there. :)

You can setup a 23.976p or 24p project before or after capture.

Yes it is much faster. You will need to decide for yourself which deinterlace look you prefer.

Jeff Baker · September 24th, 2006, 12:00 PM

Yes I like the feature very much. Thank-you. And the results look very good.
However, when I bring the footage into AE, it auto intreprets it as 29.97.

How can I confirm that it worked? I don't know a quick way to see if there are 2 fields or 1 progressive.

David Newman · September 24th, 2006, 12:11 PM

It should have report 23.976, if you checked pulldown removal as well, the wise for deinterlace only you will get 29.97p. However, interlaced vs progressive should be visually obvious when setting the display to 100% -- interlaced fields shouldn't be visible.

Jeff Baker · September 24th, 2006, 12:41 PM

http://www.threegeese.com/cineform1.png

I have an FX1, so I just checked the de-interlace 1080i footage box. I don't remember if I changed Frame menu from the default of Automatic or Progressive.

David Newman · September 24th, 2006, 01:23 PM

You want to select Remove Sony CF24 pulldown (this was supposed to be renamed like it is in HDLink.) The 3-2 pulldown removal and deinterlace used together will get you 24p. If you know you want progressive, you can switch "automatic" to "progressive", although the deinterlace option will set a progressive encoding format.

Jeff Baker · September 24th, 2006, 01:52 PM

I think I getting to the point now.
I shot this footage in the standard 60i hdv mode on the sony fx1 not the 24 Frame mode.

So am I ending up with 30P?

Is this check box only for footage shot using the camera's CF24 setting?

Sorry I'm still so confused about this. I perfer to shoot at 60i with this camera and then I need a fast way to get it to 24P for editing (I don't like the CF24 mode).

David Newman · September 24th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Jeff,

I agree with your workflow. We have just reused the CF24 pulldown removal check box, in combination with the deinterlace control to turn 60i into 24p. Give it a try. This works on regular 60i source material.

Jeff Baker · November 13th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Great working! Thanks!

Only thing, when I try to export a still frame I get a green frame instead of the picture. How do I get around this?

David Newman · November 13th, 2006, 10:37 PM

Jeff, is it related to this thread? I don't know what you mean.

Jeff Baker · November 14th, 2006, 01:26 PM

I don't know if capturing stills is related to this issue or more general. Exporting a still frame as a BMP or TIFF is not working for me with the 24P HDV project that I created using the settings posted in this thread. I will try a 30i project and see if I get different results.

I end up with a green still frame instead of the picture in Premiere. When I opened the same 24p file in Vegas I was able to copy frames to the clipboard and open them in photoshop, so it is a premiere issue or a project settings issue in premeire.

June 13th, 2006, 10:35 PM	#1
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Convert 60i to 23.976 in Aspect Is this done with HDlink or within Premiere Pro 2? How? Thanks Mike

June 13th, 2006, 11:17 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It is done in HDlink. If you select Remove 3-2 pull-down and deinterlace within HDLink, you will get a 23.976p output that is quite effective. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 23rd, 2006, 06:09 PM	#4
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	I see there is an option to de-interlace 1080i footage in Aspect 4.21 from within Premiere Pro 2 now (don't know how long it has been there). Does it work? Do I setup a 24p PPRO 2.0 project before capturing? How do the results compare to MB or Vegas (other than being much faster I would hope). Thanks. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3 Last edited by Jeff Baker; September 24th, 2006 at 12:07 PM.

September 24th, 2006, 10:17 AM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I would hope it worked if we put it there. :) You can setup a 23.976p or 24p project before or after capture. Yes it is much faster. You will need to decide for yourself which deinterlace look you prefer. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 24th, 2006, 12:00 PM	#6
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Yes I like the feature very much. Thank-you. And the results look very good. However, when I bring the footage into AE, it auto intreprets it as 29.97. How can I confirm that it worked? I don't know a quick way to see if there are 2 fields or 1 progressive. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

June 14th, 2006, 07:12 AM	#3
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Thanks David! Mike

September 24th, 2006, 12:11 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It should have report 23.976, if you checked pulldown removal as well, the wise for deinterlace only you will get 29.97p. However, interlaced vs progressive should be visually obvious when setting the display to 100% -- interlaced fields shouldn't be visible. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 24th, 2006, 12:41 PM	#8
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	http://www.threegeese.com/cineform1.png I have an FX1, so I just checked the de-interlace 1080i footage box. I don't remember if I changed Frame menu from the default of Automatic or Progressive. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

September 24th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	You want to select Remove Sony CF24 pulldown (this was supposed to be renamed like it is in HDLink.) The 3-2 pulldown removal and deinterlace used together will get you 24p. If you know you want progressive, you can switch "automatic" to "progressive", although the deinterlace option will set a progressive encoding format. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 24th, 2006, 01:52 PM	#10
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	I think I getting to the point now. I shot this footage in the standard 60i hdv mode on the sony fx1 not the 24 Frame mode. So am I ending up with 30P? Is this check box only for footage shot using the camera's CF24 setting? Sorry I'm still so confused about this. I perfer to shoot at 60i with this camera and then I need a fast way to get it to 24P for editing (I don't like the CF24 mode). __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

September 24th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Jeff, I agree with your workflow. We have just reused the CF24 pulldown removal check box, in combination with the deinterlace control to turn 60i into 24p. Give it a try. This works on regular 60i source material. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2006, 10:24 PM	#12
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Great working! Thanks! Only thing, when I try to export a still frame I get a green frame instead of the picture. How do I get around this? __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

November 13th, 2006, 10:37 PM	#13
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Jeff, is it related to this thread? I don't know what you mean. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 14th, 2006, 01:26 PM	#14
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	I don't know if capturing stills is related to this issue or more general. Exporting a still frame as a BMP or TIFF is not working for me with the 24P HDV project that I created using the settings posted in this thread. I will try a 30i project and see if I get different results. I end up with a green still frame instead of the picture in Premiere. When I opened the same 24p file in Vegas I was able to copy frames to the clipboard and open them in photoshop, so it is a premiere issue or a project settings issue in premeire. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3