HV20 and hdv to Prospect at DVinfo.net

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 05:24 PM

Shooting "Cine" 24p via the HV20 to tape.
Not using the HDMI out to CineForm Prospect...
Do I now need to hit the tickbox for Sony settings to get the 24p?
(The latest seems to not pull the 24p out of the 60i stream)

David Newman · March 28th, 2007, 05:31 PM

Not on Canon cameras, the 24f mode have a true 24p bit-stream.

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 06:04 PM

Must be a setting the cadance Im getting is not right...
David you sure the HV20 is using the PSF and not the P

David Newman · March 28th, 2007, 06:23 PM

Upload me a M2T clip so I can check it out. If you don't have an FTP site use yousendit.com to email to me.

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 07:19 PM

HERE
this is the m2t but within PPRO2 its the capture that it has oddball frames

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 07:33 PM

David I also see on the box I'm on nero showtime has taken over as default renderer for m2t.'s(via WM) this is not the case on other box's....
I will get a ticket in...

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM

may be a case of too many codecs(ffdshow) to little time

Salah Baker · March 28th, 2007, 08:13 PM

Adobe see's HDV as 29.97 not 23.97 via Cineform Prospect 23.97 setting
If I dont change the capture to progressive and not auto

David Newman · March 28th, 2007, 10:42 PM

Weird, this stream IS 60i with pulldown, unlike the Canon XL-H1. The Sony pulldown option works great on this clip. Load the clip into HDLink and set it for 2-3 pulldown extraction (nothing else) and you will get 24p of beautiful data.

Pat Reddy · March 29th, 2007, 04:01 PM

Thanks David, I just came over to this thread to ask you about this issue. The HV20 has true progessive morphed into 60i, and it does not use 24F. Looks like you already support it!

Pat

David Newman · March 29th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Yes we all 24p modes from all HDV and P2 cameras. It just take a few moments to determine if pulldown extraction is need. So the HV20 requires pulldown. Canon, please send us one.

Pete Bauer · April 2nd, 2007, 08:17 PM

Hey David, I certainly do hope that Canon will send you an HV20 so you can make sure to fully support it. (Looking forward to getting my hands on one, too, even if for less pragmatic reasons!)

But in any case, their literature indicates without question that the 24p mode for that camera is simply a 2:3 pulldown to 60i. It doesn't do any progressive 30fps, only the 24p 2:3 and regular 60i. Plays back the F-Modes, but doesn't record them.

Looking forward to visiting your booth at NAB!

March 28th, 2007, 05:24 PM	#1
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	HV20 and hdv to Prospect Shooting "Cine" 24p via the HV20 to tape. Not using the HDMI out to CineForm Prospect... Do I now need to hit the tickbox for Sony settings to get the 24p? (The latest seems to not pull the 24p out of the 60i stream)

March 28th, 2007, 05:31 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Not on Canon cameras, the 24f mode have a true 24p bit-stream. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 28th, 2007, 06:23 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Upload me a M2T clip so I can check it out. If you don't have an FTP site use yousendit.com to email to me. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 28th, 2007, 07:19 PM	#5
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	here HERE this is the m2t but within PPRO2 its the capture that it has oddball frames

March 28th, 2007, 10:42 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Weird, this stream IS 60i with pulldown, unlike the Canon XL-H1. The Sony pulldown option works great on this clip. Load the clip into HDLink and set it for 2-3 pulldown extraction (nothing else) and you will get 24p of beautiful data. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 28th, 2007, 06:04 PM	#3
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	Must be a setting the cadance Im getting is not right... David you sure the HV20 is using the PSF and not the P

March 28th, 2007, 07:33 PM	#6
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	David I also see on the box I'm on nero showtime has taken over as default renderer for m2t.'s(via WM) this is not the case on other box's.... I will get a ticket in...

March 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM	#7
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	may be a case of too many codecs(ffdshow) to little time

March 28th, 2007, 08:13 PM	#8
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	Adobe see's HDV as 29.97 not 23.97 via Cineform Prospect 23.97 setting If I dont change the capture to progressive and not auto

March 29th, 2007, 04:01 PM	#10
Pat Reddy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 288	Thanks! Thanks David, I just came over to this thread to ask you about this issue. The HV20 has true progessive morphed into 60i, and it does not use 24F. Looks like you already support it! Pat

March 29th, 2007, 04:49 PM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes we all 24p modes from all HDV and P2 cameras. It just take a few moments to determine if pulldown extraction is need. So the HV20 requires pulldown. Canon, please send us one. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 2nd, 2007, 08:17 PM	#12
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hey David, I certainly do hope that Canon will send you an HV20 so you can make sure to fully support it. (Looking forward to getting my hands on one, too, even if for less pragmatic reasons!) But in any case, their literature indicates without question that the 24p mode for that camera is simply a 2:3 pulldown to 60i. It doesn't do any progressive 30fps, only the 24p 2:3 and regular 60i. Plays back the F-Modes, but doesn't record them. Looking forward to visiting your booth at NAB! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

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