Playback to HDMI monitor? at DVinfo.net

Ken Hull · August 1st, 2012, 10:34 PM

I recently got a nanoFlash and a IndiPro 5" HDMI monitor, to use with my Panasonic AF100.

To use the monitor while recording at 24fps, I have to set the E-to-E to On. No problem. But when I want to playback the recording I just made, the monitor says Unsupported.

Now, If I record without any 3:2 pulldown removal anywhere, then yes I can view playback on the monitor; but then when I load the video into Vegas Pro 10, I see 30 frames per second. As far as I know, Vegas has no way to do 3:2 pulldown removal.

So I seem to be stuck without any way to review a 24fps video in the field. Am I missing some obvious solution?

-- Ken

Dan Keaton · August 2nd, 2012, 08:35 AM

Dear Ken,

Many HDMI monitors cannot handle a 1080p24 signal or 1080psf24.

Please feel free to call me so I can discuss this in detail with you.

My numbers are at the bottom of this link:

Support | Convergent Design

HD-SDI monitors can handle a 1080p24 and 1080psf24 signal, but I realize that this is not much help to you right now.

I assume that you have your AF100 set to output 1080p24 or 1080psf24.

Or do you have it set to output 1080p24 with 3:2 Pulldown? This is sometimes called 1080p24 over 60.

Jack Zhang · August 2nd, 2012, 07:53 PM

I think that what you're seeking is a playback telecine of 24p to 60i to a HDMI monitor. This is currently not possible in the current Nanoflash firmware, however, you can preview the clips on a computer in progressive.

For recording, PsF is a better recording mode for recording progressive images. Pulldown detection relies on whether it can detect a cadence for inversing telecine. If it can't, the Nanoflash will refuse to accept signals and will not record.

Ken Hull · August 3rd, 2012, 01:23 AM

Dan and Jack,
Thanks for the responses. It looks like I made the wrong choice of monitor for my specific needs. I'm now looking at the specs and prices for other monitors. The HD-SDI monitors are a bit pricey for me. But Marshall makes an HDMI monitor, the V-LCD51 5" On-Camera Monitor, which they claim can handle "1080p (30 / 29.97/ 25 / 24 / 24sF/ 23.98 / 23.98sF)". Does this sound like it would handle playback from the nanoFlash of recordings done with "Record PSF->Progressive" and "Remove 3:2 Pulldown"?

Marshall:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/867526-REG/Marshall_Electronics_V_LCD51_Marshall_Electronics_5.html

Also, the IKAN:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859324-REG/ikan__Ikan_VK7_7_HDMI.html

Ken

Stewart Chong · August 3rd, 2012, 01:55 AM

Hello Ken,
you may consider the Swit 's 5" LCD monitor with both HDMI and 3G SDI inputs as well.

S-1051H :
S-1051H 5-inch 3GSDI&HDMI LCD monitor

Stewart Chong
Hong Kong
Camera expert reseller and rental of Nanoflash / Gemini 444 and Swit products.
FB: stewart chong
e: stewart@wowdigitainment.com

John Richard · August 3rd, 2012, 10:24 AM

You might want to look at the SmallHD monitor choices as well.

Dan Keaton · August 3rd, 2012, 11:27 AM

Dear Ken,

The specifications that you listed seem to be fine.

However, since I have not personally tested these monitors, it would be best for others with actual experience to comment.

Ken Hull · August 12th, 2012, 12:40 AM

Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to go with the Marshall V-LCD51 5" monitor. It arrived Thursday, and it works great! It's an HDMI monitor that can handle video from which 3:2 pulldown has been removed... no problems.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that it does peaking with a B+W display and red peaking highlights, as well as pixel-to-pixel magnification, and can do both at the same time. It also has Marshall's false colors filter for exposure judging.

August 1st, 2012, 10:34 PM	#1
Ken Hull Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 240	Playback to HDMI monitor? I recently got a nanoFlash and a IndiPro 5" HDMI monitor, to use with my Panasonic AF100. To use the monitor while recording at 24fps, I have to set the E-to-E to On. No problem. But when I want to playback the recording I just made, the monitor says Unsupported. Now, If I record without any 3:2 pulldown removal anywhere, then yes I can view playback on the monitor; but then when I load the video into Vegas Pro 10, I see 30 frames per second. As far as I know, Vegas has no way to do 3:2 pulldown removal. So I seem to be stuck without any way to review a 24fps video in the field. Am I missing some obvious solution? -- Ken

August 2nd, 2012, 08:35 AM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? Dear Ken, Many HDMI monitors cannot handle a 1080p24 signal or 1080psf24. Please feel free to call me so I can discuss this in detail with you. My numbers are at the bottom of this link: Support \| Convergent Design HD-SDI monitors can handle a 1080p24 and 1080psf24 signal, but I realize that this is not much help to you right now. I assume that you have your AF100 set to output 1080p24 or 1080psf24. Or do you have it set to output 1080p24 with 3:2 Pulldown? This is sometimes called 1080p24 over 60. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

August 2nd, 2012, 07:53 PM	#3
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? I think that what you're seeking is a playback telecine of 24p to 60i to a HDMI monitor. This is currently not possible in the current Nanoflash firmware, however, you can preview the clips on a computer in progressive. For recording, PsF is a better recording mode for recording progressive images. Pulldown detection relies on whether it can detect a cadence for inversing telecine. If it can't, the Nanoflash will refuse to accept signals and will not record.

August 3rd, 2012, 01:23 AM	#4
Ken Hull Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 240	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? Dan and Jack, Thanks for the responses. It looks like I made the wrong choice of monitor for my specific needs. I'm now looking at the specs and prices for other monitors. The HD-SDI monitors are a bit pricey for me. But Marshall makes an HDMI monitor, the V-LCD51 5" On-Camera Monitor, which they claim can handle "1080p (30 / 29.97/ 25 / 24 / 24sF/ 23.98 / 23.98sF)". Does this sound like it would handle playback from the nanoFlash of recordings done with "Record PSF->Progressive" and "Remove 3:2 Pulldown"? Marshall: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/867526-REG/Marshall_Electronics_V_LCD51_Marshall_Electronics_5.html Also, the IKAN: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859324-REG/ikan__Ikan_VK7_7_HDMI.html Ken

August 3rd, 2012, 01:55 AM	#5
Stewart Chong Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong - CHINA Posts: 28	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? Hello Ken, you may consider the Swit 's 5" LCD monitor with both HDMI and 3G SDI inputs as well. S-1051H : S-1051H 5-inch 3GSDI&HDMI LCD monitor Stewart Chong Hong Kong Camera expert reseller and rental of Nanoflash / Gemini 444 and Swit products. FB: stewart chong e: stewart@wowdigitainment.com

August 3rd, 2012, 10:24 AM	#6
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? You might want to look at the SmallHD monitor choices as well.

August 3rd, 2012, 11:27 AM	#7
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? Dear Ken, The specifications that you listed seem to be fine. However, since I have not personally tested these monitors, it would be best for others with actual experience to comment. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

August 12th, 2012, 12:40 AM	#8
Ken Hull Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 240	Re: Playback to HDMI monitor? Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to go with the Marshall V-LCD51 5" monitor. It arrived Thursday, and it works great! It's an HDMI monitor that can handle video from which 3:2 pulldown has been removed... no problems. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it does peaking with a B+W display and red peaking highlights, as well as pixel-to-pixel magnification, and can do both at the same time. It also has Marshall's false colors filter for exposure judging.