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Kris Koster · January 21st, 2011, 01:20 PM

This may not be an FX question, although some of it can be achieved using a combination of real footage intermixed with FX to sell the effect.

Essentially what I want to do is (night shot), a boy lifts off the ground, holds out his hand for another person and they both fly off. I'd like it to look real without looking cheesy, so I'm trying to decide the best way of doing this.

I know I can break up the shots, ie. camera on feet whilst someone lifts him up, etc. But has anyone ever seen this being done properly? I'm guessing I'll have to use harnesses and composite them out in post for it to really work... Then green screen with the flying.

Anyone seen an effect like this being done?

Sareesh Sudhakaran · January 21st, 2011, 10:26 PM

If you're not moving the camera the best way to do it is lift the character on a crane and then roto it out in post. Same amount of post work, but you'll save money and time in production.

Jim Andrada · January 24th, 2011, 01:35 AM

Anything that involves actually lifting people is dangerous and expensive. For example - what happened at the Spiderman musical in NY. Serious injuries and these guys are pros and have pros doing the rigging.

Arnie Schlissel · January 24th, 2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Andrada

Anything that involves actually lifting people is dangerous and expensive. For example - what happened at the Spiderman musical in NY. Serious injuries and these guys are pros and have pros doing the rigging.

And you can't argue that Spiderman cut corners, either. It's the most expensive stage play ever staged. They've hired the best riggers available & trained all of the people who've been injured according to union & industry standards.

David Barnett · January 24th, 2011, 09:34 AM

Myb green screen it. Could still look a little cheesy, but depending how good you are with the keying out & lighting it could work, especially since it'll be dark/night outside. Then, indoors somewhere, do the green screen. If you don't have one buy a sheet of wood paneling or something, and paint it green. Myb have the boy sit on a stool or bench & immitate being in the air, just buy a green bedsheet & drape it over the chair or stool so it keys out also. In after Effects or post, adjust the color curves & levels to get it to match the outdoors.

That'd be my guess at least.

Robert Turchick · January 24th, 2011, 09:59 AM

This is a job for greenscreen and after effects. I've been shooting gs and then compositing people into virtual sets for the last two weeks. While a bit labor intensive, the results are worth it. Dont expect one layer keys to work all the time either.
Thinking about your shot, the trickiest would be to show feet dangling as they hovered. Might be a bit of creative editing or camera angles. Since they don't necessarily have to be vertical, have them lay down on a few boxes on top of the GS and shoot from above.
Post the results!

Gregory Gesch · February 1st, 2011, 10:24 PM

Hi Kris. This might be of interest:
Look Ma, No Wires After Effects tutorial by Eran Stern

January 21st, 2011, 01:20 PM	#1
Kris Koster Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Gatwick, UK Posts: 185	Flying or lifting humans off the ground... This may not be an FX question, although some of it can be achieved using a combination of real footage intermixed with FX to sell the effect. Essentially what I want to do is (night shot), a boy lifts off the ground, holds out his hand for another person and they both fly off. I'd like it to look real without looking cheesy, so I'm trying to decide the best way of doing this. I know I can break up the shots, ie. camera on feet whilst someone lifts him up, etc. But has anyone ever seen this being done properly? I'm guessing I'll have to use harnesses and composite them out in post for it to really work... Then green screen with the flying. Anyone seen an effect like this being done? __________________ http://kriskoster.com

January 21st, 2011, 10:26 PM	#2
Sareesh Sudhakaran Trustee Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 1,385	If you're not moving the camera the best way to do it is lift the character on a crane and then roto it out in post. Same amount of post work, but you'll save money and time in production. __________________ Get the Free Comprehensive Guide to Rigging ANY Camera - one guide to rig them all - DSLRs to the Arri Alexa.

January 24th, 2011, 09:59 AM	#6
Robert Turchick Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,389	This is a job for greenscreen and after effects. I've been shooting gs and then compositing people into virtual sets for the last two weeks. While a bit labor intensive, the results are worth it. Dont expect one layer keys to work all the time either. Thinking about your shot, the trickiest would be to show feet dangling as they hovered. Might be a bit of creative editing or camera angles. Since they don't necessarily have to be vertical, have them lay down on a few boxes on top of the GS and shoot from above. Post the results! __________________ The older I get, the better I was!

January 24th, 2011, 01:35 AM	#3
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Anything that involves actually lifting people is dangerous and expensive. For example - what happened at the Spiderman musical in NY. Serious injuries and these guys are pros and have pros doing the rigging.

January 24th, 2011, 09:34 AM	#5
David Barnett Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 951	Myb green screen it. Could still look a little cheesy, but depending how good you are with the keying out & lighting it could work, especially since it'll be dark/night outside. Then, indoors somewhere, do the green screen. If you don't have one buy a sheet of wood paneling or something, and paint it green. Myb have the boy sit on a stool or bench & immitate being in the air, just buy a green bedsheet & drape it over the chair or stool so it keys out also. In after Effects or post, adjust the color curves & levels to get it to match the outdoors. That'd be my guess at least.

February 1st, 2011, 10:24 PM	#7
Gregory Gesch Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 114	Hi Kris. This might be of interest: Look Ma, No Wires After Effects tutorial by Eran Stern