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Alister Chapman July 19th, 2012 02:05 PM

Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
According to the Sony Europe Facebook page the Sony Pro Europe are making an important announcement on July 26th.

http://www.facebook.com/SonyProfessionalEurope

Anyone care to guess?

Jacques Mersereau July 19th, 2012 02:39 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
I'll bite. How about a new F3 - aptly named the F4 that does 4K and high speed.

Alister Chapman July 19th, 2012 03:18 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Won't be an F4, maybe an F5. Sony don't do even numbers, unlucky I believe.

David Heath July 19th, 2012 03:24 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
OK - I'll bite as well. I can't help wondering if the fact it's the day before the Olympic opening ceremony is no co-incidence? Something Olympic related?

That aside, the more likely possibility must be more formal anouncements of what the 4k upgrade to the FS700 will consist of?

Jacques Mersereau July 19th, 2012 04:33 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Ha, even is bad luck? Okay, how about the Sony F5 with 5K on-board recording via SSD.
Heck, RED's doin' it. We know Sony could if it wants to.

Zach Love July 19th, 2012 04:40 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
A EX1 or EX3 with 4:2:2 & 1080p60?

Mike Marriage July 19th, 2012 05:03 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Possibly a more professional (maybe XDCAM) camera using the high frame rate advances of the FS700.

Hopefully with better ergonomics... in case I haven't said that enough times already! ;)

Please not in the F3 body, at least let's see a decent EVF in a usable position!

Jon Fairhurst July 19th, 2012 05:47 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1744458)
Sony don't do even numbers, unlucky I believe.

Four is unlucky in Japanese culture. Four is pronounced "shi", which also means "death".

As I understand it, that's why we had the D1, D2, D3... and D5 tape formats.

Dylan Tobias July 19th, 2012 06:50 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
5k,4k, ssd, high speed, bla bla.

You are not going to get any of those things in this announcement I will put money on it, history has proven nothing is going to change that quickly and they are not willing to give these things to the masses either as those in power don't want the masses having those kinds of powers in their affordable cams.

4's and 5's superstitious stupidities. I remember when I worked at Toyota none of the Asians would accept a car if we got them their plates
with any 4's or 5's in them, unreal.

Mark Andersson July 19th, 2012 08:53 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Obviously a Firmware update for the EX1R to record 50mbps 422 :) PLEASE!!!

Bill Koehler July 19th, 2012 09:52 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
The only thing I am sure of is that it is related to this:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...next-week.html

Sony | Micro Site XDCAM

Andrew Stone July 19th, 2012 11:36 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Most obvious, a 4K recorder to way out there, an OLED based EVF with a proper mounting system that will work across existing cams in their XDCAM lineup.

A follow up to the F3 announcement seems to be ill timed at the end of July based on previous release cycles.

Gabor Heeres July 20th, 2012 02:17 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Or as an EX5: A semi-shouldermount camcorder with 2/3"chips and 422 50 Mbps :-)

Or an EX1R with the NX70's waterproof housing?


But, looking back at how long they are on the market and how slow they sell nowadays I do more expect an update of the 1/2"XDCAM disc recorders PDW-F335 and F355. One with progressive framerates and one without, providing 422 sampling and 50 Mbps. Targeted to fill the gap between the PMW-320/350 and the PDW-680/700. There are still a lot of broadcasters around that solely use discs as their workflow and Sony distributors tell these clients discs will survive SxS in the end.

And @AlisterChapman, Sony does no even numbers? What about PMW-100, PMW320, PMW-350 ?

Svein Rune Skilnand July 20th, 2012 02:48 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
I am thinking a new Super 35 camcorder in the price range between the FS700 and F3, recording to SxS cards with the XD Cam EX codec. I think that would be the next logical step for Sony, that is if they are announcing a camera at all.

Raul Rooma July 20th, 2012 04:40 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
New motorized zoom lenses for nex cameras ;)

John Richard July 20th, 2012 07:57 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Something to steal Balckmagic's Cinema Cam "end of July release" thunder?

Buba Kastorski July 20th, 2012 08:50 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
whatever it is, please no AVCHD

Michael Bradshaw July 20th, 2012 08:56 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
I was just about to order a fs700, might be wise to wait a while then?

Mark OConnell July 20th, 2012 10:59 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Ex5 please!!!!!!!!!

Brent Kaplan July 20th, 2012 11:25 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
EX5 with slow-mo and larger chips and 4:2:2 and a detachable shoulder mount

Alister Chapman July 20th, 2012 12:18 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabor Heeres (Post 1744535)
And @AlisterChapman, Sony does no even numbers? What about PMW-100, PMW320, PMW-350 ?

But they don't do 2, 4, 6 or 8.

It won't be firmware to do 50Mb/s in an EX1 and I doubt you'll get 2/3" sensors in anything smaller than full shoulder mount, too bulky and power hungry.

Galen Rath July 20th, 2012 12:55 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
To Raul, this is about XDCAM, not NEX.

Gints Klimanis July 20th, 2012 01:32 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Kaplan (Post 1744587)
EX5 with slow-mo and larger chips and 4:2:2 and a detachable shoulder mount

EX5 with same 1/2" or newer/better 1/3" chips that are lower noise. 1080p60 or 720p120 recorded at 100 Mbps MPEG2 LongGOP or 300-600 Mbps MPEG2 I-Frame only. SSD drive with 15 seconds of pre-buffering. Also, lens focus controls (including push-auto) that break out to an off-camera controller as well as more metering and focus aids on the LCD. Higher rez viewfinder and LCD .

Brent Kaplan July 20th, 2012 02:48 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
or ex5 with no rolling shutter issue

Mark OConnell July 20th, 2012 05:41 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Don't forget to add a longer kit lens, at least 18x, and to make it interchangeable. Oh yeah....

Doug Jensen July 20th, 2012 08:16 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1744458)
Won't be an F4, maybe an F5. Sony don't do even numbers, unlucky I believe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1744592)
But they don't do 2, 4, 6 or 8.

How do you explain the PDW-F800 and PDW-680?

Doug Jensen July 20th, 2012 08:19 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba Kastorski (Post 1744575)
whatever it is, please no AVCHD

Well, since it's an announcement from Sony's XDCAM folks, it certainly will not be AVCHD.
It'd be great to say more right now, but like Alister, I'm under NDA as well.

Greg Boston July 20th, 2012 10:23 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
New camera with quad layer disc technology to increase XDCAM bit rate to 100 mb 4:2:2.

-gb-

Brian Drysdale July 21st, 2012 12:50 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Jensen (Post 1744630)
How do you explain the PDW-F800 and PDW-680?

Maybe it's just the single digit, they've also had BVW 400 and the F65.

Peik Henrichson July 21st, 2012 05:05 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1744458)
Won't be an F4, maybe an F5. Sony don't do even numbers, unlucky I believe.

About the even numbers: There was a time, not too long ago, when Sony could have camcorders like the VX2000.

Gabor Heeres July 21st, 2012 08:34 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Peik,

The FX1000 and AX2000 are present prosumer models and still sold new as well....

Trell Mitchell July 21st, 2012 09:43 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
* Maybe a new XDCAM codec, 10 Bit, 4:2:2.
* Hybrid XDCAM Camera: Quad Layer Optical Disc recording, & additional XQD, or SXS card slot for dual recording (optical disc & card). Reducing the need for external recorders.
* Longer battery life with optical disc based camera.
* USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt port for faster file transfer.

Alister Chapman July 21st, 2012 10:09 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
OK, I obviously wasn't precise enough. I have never seen Sony use the single even digits 2, 4, 6 or 8 which is why you probably won't ever see an EX2, F4, Z8 or whatever.

XDCAM is based on Mpeg2 which is an 8 bit codec, so it would not be XDCAM as we know it if it is 10bit.

Like Doug I'm under NDA so you'll have to wait until Thursday for the news.

Tony Davies-Patrick July 21st, 2012 11:02 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Nikon don't seem to have any problems using the No. "4"...:)

Emmanuel Plakiotis July 21st, 2012 06:58 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
In recent years they only roll out memory camcorders, so I don't believe it's going to be any new disc based. Due to competition anything new should be 50Mbit.
Recently they have introduced a 1/3 50Mbit and not so long ago 2/3 50Mbit memory based camcorders.
So either an upgrade of their 1/2 line to 50Mbit or an upgrade of F3 to 50Mbit.
Since they emphasize on "Big" in their announcements I'll bet is the latter.
Taking into account the trajectory of the NXCAM lineup from FS100 to FS700, my prediction is a more expensive version of F3 with 50Mbit and 4K option, possibly with SSM as well.

Craig Kovatch July 21st, 2012 10:17 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
How about an "affordable" 10-bit external recorder? This seems to be the only area Sony doesn't have they're fingers in. A new camera at this time of year seems unlikely.

David Heath July 22nd, 2012 04:48 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Now it seems to be an XDCAM announcement, that tends to rule out my earlier guess of something for the 4k abilities of the FS700.

The XDCAM range seems pretty filled at the moment, and it's difficult to see what else could come along. Most obvious would have been extending the 50Mbs codeec into the rest of the range - But Alisters more or less ruled that out ("It won't be firmware to do 50Mb/s in an EX1 ......") - though I suppose that doesn't rule out an EX1 successor which DOES do 50Mbs?

One obvious gap may be a camera with the PMW350 front end and 50Mbs recording? And I wonder about a higher end (and XDCAM) version of the FS700?

But does "big announcement" really sound like a new camera? It makes me think of something a bit more general, something applying to the system as a whole. A new extension to the codec is an obvious possibility, or what about a simplified low cost archiving system? A few years ago there was talk of solid state memory that was permanent - one write, no posssibility of erasing, but indefinite storage. (Over years the charge may slowly "leak" with conventional rewritable solid-state.) If cheap enough, that really could be revolutionary (and worthy of being a "big announcement"!). No need for backing up, and apart from camera rushes could have a big use as permanent archive storage of edited material.

Oh well, we'll see in a few days......

Gabor Heeres July 22nd, 2012 07:41 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
David,

A PMW-350 with 50 MB/s? That's coming a bit too close to the PMW-500 in my opinion. I think the chance of a successor to the outdated PDW-F335 and F355 is a lot more bigger. I think the trick they did with the PDW-680 (just providing interlaced framerate, convenient for ENG and thus saving costs) will be extracted over a wider line of cameras.

Gabor

David Heath July 22nd, 2012 08:39 AM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabor Heeres (Post 1744780)
A PMW-350 with 50 MB/s? That's coming a bit too close to the PMW-500 in my opinion.

Maybe, but I suspect there's a lot of people who may want the 50Mbs codec to get full acceptability, but would actively PREFER the 350 front end to the 500. The 500 may be superior in absolute image quality terms, but for many the difference in power consumption may be by far the deciding factor, and I believe the PMW350 is also better in low light?

But even if such was about to be announced, would it really class as a "big" announcement? That's why I'd tend to suspect something more than just a single new camera model.

Alister Chapman July 22nd, 2012 12:24 PM

Re: Sony Announcement, 26th July.
 
The PDW-680 uses the 350 front end and records to optical disc at 50Mb/s. Optical disc appears to be making a bit of a come back right now as some broadcasters have actually moved from solid state back to optical for archive reasons.


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