Samsung NX1: H.265 and 4k
 

This was just announced. Looks like interesting new competition for the GH4. H.265 could be huge. Lens selection could be an issue, but honestly I don't know anything about Samsung cameras.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1081854-REG/samsung_ev_nx1zzzbzbus_nx1_digital_camera.html

Specs, from B&H:
28.2MP BSI APS-C CMOS Sensor
DRIMe V Image Signal Processor
4K Video Recording at 24 fps
UHD Video Recording at 30 fps
3.0" 1036k-Dot Tilt-Touchscreen Monitor
XGA OLED Electronic Viewfinder
Advanced Hybrid Autofocus System
205 Phase-Detection AF Points
15 fps Burst with AF
Samsung NX Lens Mount

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Specs look beastly to say the least. Hope to see some bitrate and buffer numbers soon. And the Samsung lens selection seems very good, although I cannot speak from experience (on the quality).

I hope Sony, Samsung and Fuji thrive, since the same mirrorless lens designs from 3rd party manufacturers can be designed for all.

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"The codec is a successor to H.264 and is capable of providing ProRes quality at 1% of the file size (that’s 5Mbit bitrate for 500Mbit quality video)."

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On the spec sheet the sensor is described:
6.5K Super 35mm sensor with 4K (4096 x 2160 at 24p) and Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) video mode
and as:
14bit raw stills at 28MP (6480 x 4320) from effective 28.2MP, total 30.7MP Samsung

Can someone please explain, the correlation between the 2 different descriptions. Because its the same sensor after all.

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Sounds great spec wise.

I'm really hoping Canon comes with something like this!!

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What people don't realize is that while H.265 visually allows for less bitrate for the same visual look, it's actually throwing away more data, so that is not good for color grading and post. That's what a high profile is for in the specifications, and currently there is no high profile in HEVC that would be broadcast production compliant.

Remember HDV and the BBC/Discovery? Same would apply for HEVC and 4K.

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And probably just 8-bit in 4k video (like the 1DC).

-- peer

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But is it really throwing away more data? It might have fewer bits but might retain more of the original input. Said another way, the result might be a more accurate representation of the original image, regardless of bit count.

My understanding is that h.265 allows multiple macroblock sizes, finer and wider motion compensation, and includes more feedback loops to reduce errors. If the Main 10 profile is used, it can code 10-bit values and there is evidence that 10-bit coding is actually more efficient than eight bit coding, due to the smaller errors to be compensated for during coding.

Will the coding be better in this camera than say a Canon DSLR? Too soon to tell. It depends on the profile, bit rate and implementation. But the fine hair in the sample images looked great. I didn't see mosquito noise in the high frequency areas or course blocks in the flat areas. If nothing else, it's promising.

My main concern is about rolling shutter. All of the video demo material used highly stabilized cameras. More and more, I want a camera with a global (or near global) shutter. Was the controlled motion of the cameras an artistic decision or is it there to hide flaws? We will see...

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It's going to be a nightmare for the bleeding edge of post workflow compatibility regardless. Remember the days of Mainconcept, Cineform and HDV?

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So true about workflow. It will be a while before NLEs and graphics cards include efficient, native h.265 decoders.

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"their sensor is able to do a full pixel readout at up to 30fps in 7K and so there’s no crop in 4K video mode."

Interested to see what this APS C sensor can do compared to the competition.

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OK, now it's a party... the Samsung promo reel looks like it's pretty good, unlike the rather scary Panasonic promos. Decent dynamic range, looks like it handles the shadows fairly well, good solid detail. Could be a winner...

Wonder how much it'll cost for a "system" with lenses, batteries, flash for stills... never really considered Samsung for a imaging/camera company, but they might have something here!

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Here is what they say about the bitrate 40Mbs at another website.
Samsung NX1: price, specs, release date confirmed | Digital Camera World

What’s more, the new DRIMe V Image Processor allows the Samsung NX1 to support 4K UHD video recording with no need for external equipment. As our testing team notes: “Samsung is using a new codec, H.265 (HEVC) and 40Mbps for its 4K video. This is claimed to have the same image quality, but half the size of 100Mbps H.264 footage.

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The 6.5K corrolates to the horizontal resolution (6480 pixels) of the sensor. Generally people use total pixel count when talking about still photos but only one dimension when talking about moving pictures - usually vertical resolution when talking about video (eg 720p, 1080p) and horizontal resolution when talking about cinema (2k, 4k).

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Actually, they're reporting that they actually have a "Pro" mode that ups the bitrate to 80Mbs for HEVC:

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Well they sure chose some pretty shots for their demo reel!

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Interesting blind analysis of a pre-production model.

Link

Of course we're more interested in the video aspects, specifically 4K.

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Autofocus testing.

Link

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Tests of continuous autofocus (CAF) - moving the camera and letting the camera shift focus automatically; focus pulls - changing what is in focus using the touch screen; and locking focus - moving the camera but maintaining focus on the same object.

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Here it is more clear: this is a competly new Approach:
Samsung NX1 vs Canon C300 (image quality) - EOSHD

Praises of the SAMSUNG App concept in the comments

EOSHD opinion: smartphones are not killing DSLRs, apps and online services are - EOSHD

Colorblind? NX 1 Portrait's look all less plastic than Canon D 7MkII
Samsung NX1 Review | Sans Mirror ? mirrorless, interchangeable lens cameras | Thom Hogan

On my UHD 55" Samsung Youtube Files Sensor just cinematic analog film transitions into white. But the grading kills it

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This is a rough-cut 4K video testing the low-light prowess of the NX1 + 16-50mm S lens. This was edited in Power Director 13 Ultra, which processes H265 files *natively*, and exported as an XAVC S H264 4K video.


This museum has much more challenging lighting than the museum in the video posted just above. No grading was done (this was a test of the native capability of the camera).

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It is weatherproof, so

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NX1 vs LX100 vs BMPC4K

NX1 4K Video

NX1 HD 100fps Slowmo

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I have to ask, is there an EF mount adapter for this camera? video looks gorgeous!

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I had the same question. I did some quick research and found some "dumb" adapters on Ebay for around $12. I'm not sure if an adapter that allows iris and focus control exists yet but I'd be surprised if one doesn't eventually come out.
Canon EF EOS Lens to Samsung NX300M NX300 NX2000 NX210 NX30 Camera Adapter | eBay

Here is a link from Metabones site. Metabones® It says NX will not be supported.

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well, that puts a shitty spin on things. No EF adapter with AF. #stuckatcanonsmercy

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there is this one, but no electronics.

FotodioX Canon EF Pro Lens Adapter with Tripod Mount EOS-NX B&H

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Specifically, they exclude a speed booster, but probably a smart adapter is possible.

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Testing the Samsung NX 60mm macro lens.


Focus peaking works superbly to get focus spot on and the focus mechanism is silent.

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with 16-50mm PZ lens; all CAF.

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with 16-50mm S lens.

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Uses the NX 60mm macro lens.

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How's the audio for this camera?

I noticed in the specs, that it's stated as:

For H.265 = AAC (MP4)

For AVI = LPCM


I wonder why Samsung didn't just use LPCM for both instead of using the lower quality AAC for H.265 recordings.

Isn't LPCM usually higher in bit rate and quality than AAC?