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Ha. I reached out to Alex Sax and he just got back to me a few minutes ago, and explained the confusion.
On the test cameras they had, the HDMI was locked to Rec.709, which is why he said what he said. He apologized for the inaccuracy. |
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Canon C200 Interview at Cine Gear Expo 2017
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Thank God Sebastian's review C200 firmware had log out. So it looks like maybe Canon has been testing different HDMI output options with different firmware? Interesting...I would speculate that Canon has been debating how much external recording that they want to allow on the C200.
Let's also hope that Canon doesn't lock down the HDMI output to 8bit only. I STRONGLY believe that C20 buyers be allowed to record 4k 10bit CLog outside this camera for this price. If they allow that, it will compensate for the C200's weak internal h.264 CODEC that it has and make if far more usable. This will also make it a bit more competitive against Panasonic's EXTREMELY feature stacked EVA1. Crossing my fingers! |
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lol,....I guess you have a point!
Well,...the $2000 GH5 has no problem outputting 10bit. The Sony FS5 records 10bit HD and 8bit 4k....but!,...at least it outputs 12bit raw sensor data to allow external 10bit conversion to ProRes. The Panasonic EVA1 has everything, 10bit internal 400Mbp/s, 5.7K raw output, dual ISO...plus the kitchen sink for "under $8000"!!!!! I guess you are right. This C200 will be an 8bit camera for anything longer than 15min recordings. It was on my radar for a December purchase but I see no reason not to swing over to the EVA1 instead. IBC will likely bring Sony's new competition out too. I strongly suspect that Sony will work hard to compete with the EVA1. (Something Canon seems to be NOT willing to do) It's going to be extremely hard to say "no" to the EVA 1. They have thoroughly overloaded the damn thing up with soooo many features. How in the hell can anybody say "nah,...it's not worth it". Haha...it's RIDICULOUSLY over-packed with features.. CT |
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There just might be one or two people interested in your conclusion, Dan!
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Typical Canon "mushy" soft sensor readout. When will Canon finally catch up to everybody's else's oversampling techniques?
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BINGO! You hit the nail right on the head.
I'm becoming a big fan of oversampling these days. A 1:1 readout from an RGGB Bayer pattern sensor is the rock bottom MINIMUM way to create a "4k" image. Hell, your green channel, the HIGHEST resolution channel you have, is literally only 1/2 4k resolution. Folks,....let that sink in. The highest resolution channel is literally nowhere near 4k resolution. Even worse, the red and blue channels are only 1/4 4k resolution!! THIS SUCKS! When Sony does a 6k image scan, they are reading out a green channel that is 100% full raster 4k. And, they are supplementing that image with a 1/2 4k resolution red and blue channels.It's still not a full raster RGB image but at teh very least, a 6k oversample will deliver 1 full raster green channel as the foundation of your image for de-Bayering. This is why the EVA-1 (5.7k readout) will likely EASILY display much more detail than the C200. We'll see but the EVA-1 has all the numbers on it's side. CT |
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I've been on some forums where a few have argued tirelessly that a 10 bit 4:2:2 codec is unnecessary when you have RAW internal as a feature of this camera. Boy, I'd love to live in their World where jobs are simply divided between those demanding a crappy but low bitrate of 100mbps for 25p or those wanting a higher quality where RAW is an easy answer.
I personally think Canon's inclusion of RAW recording to be very innovative and ground breaking, but despair that it comes at the cost of a robust 10 bit 4:2:2 codec internal for jobs where RAW and 8 bit low bitrate are not the obvious choices. It maybe this omission will be addressed in future updates and I'm patient enough to sit and see if Canon either fix this or if the EVA1 delivers on some of its features. I think if you're one of those people who feel the C200 is a great choice of camera, go for it. If you're somewhat conflicted, then hold off and wait until next year when both the C200 and the EVA1 have had a chance to show what each are capable of. |
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