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Will Thompson · June 1st, 2004, 10:22 AM

Lynne,

I'm not sure I understand what you want your NLE to do. You could cover the screen to cover everything but the timeline - then, you could only arrange footage (and maybe add transitions). I don't see what could be simpler. Use of all the bells and whistles in NLE software is not requisite; just ignore them, and the software is just as easy as any "simple" NLE. And the huge advantage is, since many other people know how to edit in FCP and the like, if you get stuck, chances are someone else has been there - and the solution is tucked away on a nice little message board such as this.

Just my .02.

Steve Crisdale · June 1st, 2004, 08:11 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Lynne Whelden : iMovie doesn't edit HDV.
Maybe I'm just a poor learner but I bought two books on FCP (the Dummies one and one by Rubin). After squinting at my 17" eMac screen for hours on end until my eyes felt like they were ready to explode, the Rubin book brought me to the point where I think, I think I could have cut something very basic. But that was three months ago. I'd have to start all over again because I haven't used it since. I told someone I felt like FCP was like sitting in the cockpit of a 747 with its miriad of controls when all I really needed was a Piper Cub to get me from point A to point B. Now if I had the Cassie or ScreenPlay, it's like typing. You just don't forget the fundamentals because....because....it...just...makes...sense. -->>>

I'm just wondering Lynne; without any disrespect to yourself or your abilities, if you aren't biting off more than you can chew?
If all this HD stuff seems so esoteric to you that you have to rely on a manufactured solution which you believe will overcome via some inate mechanical intelligence, any difficulties you may have with the creation process.....then you may be heading towards an expensive and disappointing outcome.
If all you want is a simple HDV video capture and editing solution, just use the JVC supplied software.
Besides aren't you putting the cart before the horse? I would suggest becoming familiar with the camcorder you intend using, and whether you feel comfortable with it's controls and functions, as well as any extra equipment it may require to enhance it's output, before diving into the editing hardware......

Lynne Whelden · June 2nd, 2004, 06:17 AM

Well, I certainly appreciate the feedback. I agree about the cart and horse thing. I should try the camera and the supplied software and decide where to go from there. I must say I'm a bit perplexed that feelings against editing appliances are so strong here. But after all, this discussion board is really for the cutting edge HD pioneers.

Heath McKnight · June 2nd, 2004, 09:37 AM

Nah, this board is for everyone!

I don't like appliances because of their price and lack of cheap upgradability.

heath

Frederic Lumiere · June 2nd, 2004, 11:37 AM

Lynne,

Frankly, I think the most important thing is to find something that works for you. Whichever tool you might use, as long as it allows you to be productive and creative.

In my opinion, it is as important to have a powerful and flexible editing solution as it is to not get caught up in the bells and whistles and loose sight of your creative vision.

Let's not forget that the editing solution is the tool, there is a lot more to editorial than the tool.

Furthermore, if you find the computer-based editing solutions distracting to your creative process than I say an editing appliance makes a lot of sense.

My favorites films use no more than 2 types of transitions, the rest are straight cuts. And they were cut the old fashion way, on flat beds editors.

Christopher C. Murphy · June 2nd, 2004, 11:58 AM

I'm feel the same. My favorite movies have no effects or almost none. With the exception of Star Wars, but I don't even feel like it's effects because there were no computers. Nowadays, I feel that computers are effects and real life effect shots are not really effects! Make sense?

Anywho, you can make an Oscar film with iMovie if you really want to do it. It's pretty much gotten to that point. It's the story as always..

Murph

Heath McKnight · June 2nd, 2004, 03:10 PM

A film at Sundance was cut on iMovie.

hwm

Christopher C. Murphy · June 2nd, 2004, 03:13 PM

Oh yeah, the one where the guy took all the footage from growing up and made a documentry/movie? Apparently, he had footage in lots of formats and even 8mm (converted).

I think the total cost was like $250!

Makes me want to become a Producer...investing might be the way to go in this sub-$1000 market of movies!!!

Murph

Will Thompson · June 4th, 2004, 01:56 PM

His name is Jonathan Caouette and he's from Houston. There's been a bit of a buzz here since he went to Cannes. I haven't seen the film yet - seems like it was done in a similar light to "Capturing the Friedmans."

Will Thompson · June 4th, 2004, 01:58 PM

The film was edited in iMovie and cost $218.32 (according to the local paper).

June 2nd, 2004, 09:37 AM	#34
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Nah, this board is for everyone! I don't like appliances because of their price and lack of cheap upgradability. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 2nd, 2004, 11:37 AM	#35
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Let's not loose sight of the creative process Lynne, Frankly, I think the most important thing is to find something that works for you. Whichever tool you might use, as long as it allows you to be productive and creative. In my opinion, it is as important to have a powerful and flexible editing solution as it is to not get caught up in the bells and whistles and loose sight of your creative vision. Let's not forget that the editing solution is the tool, there is a lot more to editorial than the tool. Furthermore, if you find the computer-based editing solutions distracting to your creative process than I say an editing appliance makes a lot of sense. My favorites films use no more than 2 types of transitions, the rest are straight cuts. And they were cut the old fashion way, on flat beds editors.

June 2nd, 2004, 11:58 AM	#36
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	I'm feel the same. My favorite movies have no effects or almost none. With the exception of Star Wars, but I don't even feel like it's effects because there were no computers. Nowadays, I feel that computers are effects and real life effect shots are not really effects! Make sense? Anywho, you can make an Oscar film with iMovie if you really want to do it. It's pretty much gotten to that point. It's the story as always.. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

June 2nd, 2004, 03:10 PM	#37
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	A film at Sundance was cut on iMovie. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 2nd, 2004, 03:13 PM	#38
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Oh yeah, the one where the guy took all the footage from growing up and made a documentry/movie? Apparently, he had footage in lots of formats and even 8mm (converted). I think the total cost was like $250! Makes me want to become a Producer...investing might be the way to go in this sub-$1000 market of movies!!! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

June 1st, 2004, 10:22 AM	#31
Will Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	Lynne, I'm not sure I understand what you want your NLE to do. You could cover the screen to cover everything but the timeline - then, you could only arrange footage (and maybe add transitions). I don't see what could be simpler. Use of all the bells and whistles in NLE software is not requisite; just ignore them, and the software is just as easy as any "simple" NLE. And the huge advantage is, since many other people know how to edit in FCP and the like, if you get stuck, chances are someone else has been there - and the solution is tucked away on a nice little message board such as this. Just my .02.

June 1st, 2004, 08:11 PM	#32
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	<<<-- Originally posted by Lynne Whelden : iMovie doesn't edit HDV. Maybe I'm just a poor learner but I bought two books on FCP (the Dummies one and one by Rubin). After squinting at my 17" eMac screen for hours on end until my eyes felt like they were ready to explode, the Rubin book brought me to the point where I think, I think I could have cut something very basic. But that was three months ago. I'd have to start all over again because I haven't used it since. I told someone I felt like FCP was like sitting in the cockpit of a 747 with its miriad of controls when all I really needed was a Piper Cub to get me from point A to point B. Now if I had the Cassie or ScreenPlay, it's like typing. You just don't forget the fundamentals because....because....it...just...makes...sense. -->>> I'm just wondering Lynne; without any disrespect to yourself or your abilities, if you aren't biting off more than you can chew? If all this HD stuff seems so esoteric to you that you have to rely on a manufactured solution which you believe will overcome via some inate mechanical intelligence, any difficulties you may have with the creation process.....then you may be heading towards an expensive and disappointing outcome. If all you want is a simple HDV video capture and editing solution, just use the JVC supplied software. Besides aren't you putting the cart before the horse? I would suggest becoming familiar with the camcorder you intend using, and whether you feel comfortable with it's controls and functions, as well as any extra equipment it may require to enhance it's output, before diving into the editing hardware......

June 2nd, 2004, 06:17 AM	#33
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Well, I certainly appreciate the feedback. I agree about the cart and horse thing. I should try the camera and the supplied software and decide where to go from there. I must say I'm a bit perplexed that feelings against editing appliances are so strong here. But after all, this discussion board is really for the cutting edge HD pioneers.

June 4th, 2004, 01:56 PM	#39
Will Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	His name is Jonathan Caouette and he's from Houston. There's been a bit of a buzz here since he went to Cannes. I haven't seen the film yet - seems like it was done in a similar light to "Capturing the Friedmans."

June 4th, 2004, 01:58 PM	#40
Will Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	The film was edited in iMovie and cost $218.32 (according to the local paper).