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Old September 12th, 2021, 12:20 AM   #16
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Commercial ceilings keep dust out. They rarely keep sound out. They also arenít structural, so weight needs carrying from above. So if you need sealing for audio reasons, the youíre probably going to have to think about how you hang heavy lighting? Ground supported truss works but not when you build in cyc curves. Timber internal framing works but you must carry a heavy ceiling for the span, so thatís usually steelwork, with interior sheeting or the newer engineered timber trusses, which are stronger and lighter than solid timber. Youíll need advice on this one with weights vs spans. Studios that hear aircraft going over and car horns inside wont be popular.
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Old September 12th, 2021, 07:01 PM   #17
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Some interesting DVXuser advice there Paul, I came across this from Chris F …

‘If I had to do my last studio over again I'd curb my excitement about building my dream space and would have just focused on building the white cyc, making sure all the amenities are really dialed in, invested more in dampening the sound inside and blocking sound from outside and then just used and rented the studio as is for a year at least and then see how I and other people actually use the space before making any more customizations. At the end of the day a lot of productions just want a big, quiet space that they can customize to their specific project with the amenities that make their production easier.’

That is interesting but there’s more :) When I built my studios in 1978, one of the first well known specialists I got advice from wanted to make the whole site a huge music studio, able to accommodate a symphony orchestra with expensive film projection gear and big screens to score music for movies.

But I knew from watching others ‘operational problems’ over the years, the aim should be to try and have as many sources of income as possible. First was acoustic music studios for others to rent, 2nd was my quadraphonic s/track productions for clients multi-screen audio visual programs. 3rd was our high speed audio cassette duplication business, and we invested in a big Otari loop bin system with auto winders and ‘print on’ for the labels. This took up our whole 2nd. floor and I really got into making a great sounding cassette. In 1995 we got an offer to buy us out from the biggest outfit in the country.

But the idea was, when business was down in one area, the others would support our operation. And that’s what happened, in the economic downturn in the mid 1980s, we never noticed it but our competition certainly did. Our music studios were quiet but the a/v soundtracks still went ahead. But our biggest income then was, we had a contract to supply the store background music on audio cassette to most of the retail chains in Aust. Every Friday we delivered 6000+ cassettes to a mailing house. There were problems at the start, staff was one, until we settled on a group of reliable ladies to run our cassette operation.

I had a sleeping bag and regularly slept at the studio. Many times I had coffee watching passersby going to work. I have to add, my dear wife took a series of book keeping lessons but, I missed my daughters early school years however I’m proud that we earned enough to send them to excellent private schools. And that’s paid off, they now have university degrees with great jobs in upper management, married with their own young families. Then by 2002 the city had expanded to our front door, we got an offer I couldn’t refuse so we sold our business, our building and I retired.

David I wrote this to let you know, there are definitely other avenues for your intended studio business, you just have to find them.

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Old September 16th, 2021, 08:35 PM   #18
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Thank you for sharing that. Seems their diverse offerings got them through the changing times in the story you shared.

I'm not sure what else I can offer with the gear I have now and limited funds besides.
white cyc
green screen
VO
tape transfers
disc duplication

There are other ideas I have but can't do.
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Old September 16th, 2021, 08:39 PM   #19
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Thanks again Paul. Yes. I'm talking this over with architect. Lots to figure out. Thankfully you guys are helping a lot
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Old September 17th, 2021, 12:23 AM   #20
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I have two duplicators and Iíve not put a CD or DVD through them in 3 years! One when new had Blu-ray capability. Not one client ever requested one. For physical delivery itís usb sticks and digital downloads 100% for my type of products. Even my diehards have shifted.
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Old September 17th, 2021, 07:09 AM   #21
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Thank you. I also have a USB duplicator but my clients still mostly want DVDs which I thought would be end of life years ago but are still hanging on. Could change any year though..
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Old September 17th, 2021, 09:54 PM   #22
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I'm not sure what else I can offer with the gear I have now and limited funds besides.
white cyc
green screen
VO
tape transfers
disc duplication
David you have a couple of areas there, you just have to watch for all your options in those areas. As you build your place over time, ideas and options will emerge. Honestly I think the mistake you could make would be to stop looking.

Time moves on Paul. For retail store background music over the years, the equipment went: audio cassettes > CDs > replaced with a dish on the roof of each store for music from a satellite link. The changeover to CDs was gradual as store players were installed and along with the cassettes, we employed one of the first CD duplicators.

But while high speed cassette duplication needed special expertise, it wasn’t hard to realise that simple backyard CD duplicators would soon appear - with cheaper prices. So I was happy when in 2002 we sold everything including our Otari plant, not really concerned where it would end up. But it was sold to an outfit in Indonesia and we know if it wasn’t for 3rd world countries, magnetic audio tape would have disappeared years ago.

When we were on holidays in South Africa a few years later I went into a record shop in Capetown. On one wall there was a rack of CDs while on the opposite wall there was a shelf of local and imported music cassettes. You could order a cassette recorded from a CD and come back an hour later to collect it. I’d say that is still the case in the far east.

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