Camcorder Storage Strategies at DVinfo.net

Christopher Go · May 1st, 2003, 09:58 PM

Where do you store your equipment and camcorder when they're not in use? Where I live it can get very humid and so I've been concerned lately about any effects it may have on my camera.

Right now its sitting in a plastic case with a couple of silica gel packs (the kind which you can reuse after throwing them in the oven) but I noticed that very quickly they go from blue to pink, which means there's a lot of moisture in the air.

Do you think this matters much? Should I look for something air-tight? In the manual for the AG-DVX100 for example, it says recommended temperature for storage is 77 F. This is not gonna happen here.

Alex Knappenberger · May 1st, 2003, 10:05 PM

Hmm, how long are you planning on storing it?

Me personally, when my camera isn't in use, I just leave it sit on the tripod right here beside my desk, it doesn't sit like that for very long, I use it quite often...

Mike Rehmus · May 1st, 2003, 10:19 PM

Humidity certainly does effect electromechanical devices. I'd store it in a ziplock bag with the silica gel inside. Or get an air-tight case for the camera.

My assumption, after a lot of years in electronics, is that the better the storage conditions, the better service life equipment will provide.

My rule of thumb is that if I am comfortable, then the equipment is OK.

Fortunately, I have a very well insulated studio with heat and air conditioning. Most of my equipment is stored in PortaBrace bags but then Northern California is not the same as your location.

For certain, don't leave tape loaded in your camera. I'd also not leave batteries installed.

Ken Tanaka · May 1st, 2003, 11:08 PM

Christopher,
It would be reasonable to consider investing in good air-tight and water-tight hard cases, such as Pelikans, to provide medium-term storage for your cameras. Such cases, with some of that desiccant, would fend-off the effects of atmospheric moisture.

Zac Stein · May 1st, 2003, 11:28 PM

If it is that humid, i would do both my self and my equipment a favour and get a nice reverse cycle air conditioner with climate control.

That way you can enjoy a dry well cooled and confortable area for both yourself and the equipment.

Zac

Dean Sensui · May 2nd, 2003, 01:33 AM

I have an editing setup that requires an air-conditioned room to keep the hard drive RAID from overheating, so I store most of my electronic equipment in there. The room's rather small, so there's not much available storage.

For other photographic equipment I found a very large ammo case (used to store 20mm canon shells) and use Drierite (a dessicant) to absorb the moisture. The heavy steel surplus ammo cases are quite cheap (about $30) and feature a rubber gasket for an excellent air-tight seal.

Hope this helps.
Dean Sensui
Base Two Productions

Christopher Go · May 2nd, 2003, 06:21 AM

Thanks for the suggestions - certainly got me thinking about a better storage solution. Don't get me wrong, the camcorder is not in storage for great lengths of time, its just that it averages 84 F in my home easily these summer days (exacerbated by the fact that my room is situated in the worst area of the house, with no wind to help cool things down).

I have an AC but I turn it off when I leave for work, etc. Should I keep it on 24/7 just for the camera? Guess I have to do some research to find out whether its a reverse cycle one, I did only buy it recently - is it something you have to specify?

Definitely gonna look into the Pelican case for the camcorder's permanent home. Question though: will it accomodate an AG-DVX100 and a Cavision matte box? The matte box does not have to assembled on the camera. Should I go for the dividers or foam? (Perhaps I should post this in another thread, hmm...)

Guess its a plastic bag for now.

Bryan Beasleigh · May 2nd, 2003, 07:13 AM

I've never heard of reverse cycle air conditioning. Any airconditioned space will benifit from dehumidification, the closer the unit is matched to the load, the better the dehumidification. Oversized doesn't do a good job.
The ideal is a machine that labours constantly. The only other way to extract more moisture is to drop the air temp to the desired dew point and reheat. (that's what a dehumidifier does) 50% RH (at 72 degF) dew point is 54 deg F

I'm a Refrigeration Field Eng for a large international maufacturer and somewhat anal about my AC setup. My home rarely goes above 60% RH and is usually around 55%.

For storage, I lock my cameras in my office credenza.

For those that pack the camera away in a Pelican air tight , just drop a silica gel pack in before you close the lid (if'n you want too). I personally wouldn't bother unless you live in a very humid area. If it's dry when you close the lid it should be dry when you open it back up.

Ken Tanaka · May 2nd, 2003, 10:34 AM

Christopher,
Go for a case with pick-and-pluck foam. Much easier to customize to your needs.

Dan Holly · May 2nd, 2003, 11:30 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ken Tanaka : Christopher,
It would be reasonable to consider investing in good air-tight and water-tight hard cases, such as Pelikans, to provide medium-term storage for your cameras. Such cases, with some of that desiccant, would fend-off the effects of atmospheric moisture. -->>>

I'll second Ken's above, Pelican (or other brands with o-rings and a pressure relief vavle) is the way to go when you live with the ocean at your back door.

Casey Visco · May 2nd, 2003, 01:11 PM

Pelican's are great, they have the pick and pluck foam and you can get them in a number of configurations...the 1650 cases we use for the glidecams are big enough to accomodate an xl1 plus a host of accessories...or an xl1, an dvx and some small accessories...plenty of room!

not cheap though.

Christopher Go · May 3rd, 2003, 01:11 AM

Okay, I'm sold. I'll order one Sunday night so I hope to receive it later that week. What do you think about this place to order it from?

Frank Granovski · May 3rd, 2003, 01:48 AM

Christopher, I keep my cams in a plastic bag, and the bag with cam in a "protective" cam case. The cam case sits either in my closet or in my desk drawer (yes, I have a large desk which my wife hates).

Zac Stein · May 3rd, 2003, 02:12 AM

Reverse cycle must be an english/australian term, it means it can do heating and cooling. I believe the most efficient heaters are just air conditioners running in almost reverse mode, as they create excess heat as an offshoot of cooling.

Basically the unit itself is in 2 halves, the big noisy air fan part is outside or on the roof, and tubes run into the house, and the unit on the wall is quiet, usually automatic as well. You set a temp you want the room at, and it can cool or warm it up depending on what season you are in.

Some now have become intelligent, and can sense sudden changes in the room and compensate in areas of the room and so on.

Zac

Christopher Go · May 5th, 2003, 03:06 AM

Thanks for the explanation, Zac.

In regards to the Pelican case, one should be on its way here soon. So, how do you go about customizing the foam, do you cut it, and if so, with what? There any reason why I shouldn't have gotten a black one?

In the meanwhile I have the silica packets back in the oven again and have kept the AC on - no sense investing in equipment only to subject them to possible damage.

Bryan, I wonder if your expertise would help out on shoots in the arctic when it comes to maintaining equipment properly.

Thanks again, everyone.

May 1st, 2003, 09:58 PM	#1
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Camcorder Storage Strategies Where do you store your equipment and camcorder when they're not in use? Where I live it can get very humid and so I've been concerned lately about any effects it may have on my camera. Right now its sitting in a plastic case with a couple of silica gel packs (the kind which you can reuse after throwing them in the oven) but I noticed that very quickly they go from blue to pink, which means there's a lot of moisture in the air. Do you think this matters much? Should I look for something air-tight? In the manual for the AG-DVX100 for example, it says recommended temperature for storage is 77 F. This is not gonna happen here.

May 1st, 2003, 10:19 PM	#3
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Humidity certainly does effect electromechanical devices. I'd store it in a ziplock bag with the silica gel inside. Or get an air-tight case for the camera. My assumption, after a lot of years in electronics, is that the better the storage conditions, the better service life equipment will provide. My rule of thumb is that if I am comfortable, then the equipment is OK. Fortunately, I have a very well insulated studio with heat and air conditioning. Most of my equipment is stored in PortaBrace bags but then Northern California is not the same as your location. For certain, don't leave tape loaded in your camera. I'd also not leave batteries installed. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

May 1st, 2003, 11:08 PM	#4
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Christopher, It would be reasonable to consider investing in good air-tight and water-tight hard cases, such as Pelikans, to provide medium-term storage for your cameras. Such cases, with some of that desiccant, would fend-off the effects of atmospheric moisture. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 2nd, 2003, 10:34 AM	#9
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Christopher, Go for a case with pick-and-pluck foam. Much easier to customize to your needs. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 2nd, 2003, 11:30 AM	#10
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	I'm in the same boat <<<-- Originally posted by Ken Tanaka : Christopher, It would be reasonable to consider investing in good air-tight and water-tight hard cases, such as Pelikans, to provide medium-term storage for your cameras. Such cases, with some of that desiccant, would fend-off the effects of atmospheric moisture. -->>> I'll second Ken's above, Pelican (or other brands with o-rings and a pressure relief vavle) is the way to go when you live with the ocean at your back door. __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

May 1st, 2003, 10:05 PM	#2
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Hmm, how long are you planning on storing it? Me personally, when my camera isn't in use, I just leave it sit on the tripod right here beside my desk, it doesn't sit like that for very long, I use it quite often...

May 1st, 2003, 11:28 PM	#5
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	If it is that humid, i would do both my self and my equipment a favour and get a nice reverse cycle air conditioner with climate control. That way you can enjoy a dry well cooled and confortable area for both yourself and the equipment. Zac

May 2nd, 2003, 01:33 AM	#6
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	I have an editing setup that requires an air-conditioned room to keep the hard drive RAID from overheating, so I store most of my electronic equipment in there. The room's rather small, so there's not much available storage. For other photographic equipment I found a very large ammo case (used to store 20mm canon shells) and use Drierite (a dessicant) to absorb the moisture. The heavy steel surplus ammo cases are quite cheap (about $30) and feature a rubber gasket for an excellent air-tight seal. Hope this helps. Dean Sensui Base Two Productions

May 2nd, 2003, 06:21 AM	#7
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Thanks for the suggestions - certainly got me thinking about a better storage solution. Don't get me wrong, the camcorder is not in storage for great lengths of time, its just that it averages 84 F in my home easily these summer days (exacerbated by the fact that my room is situated in the worst area of the house, with no wind to help cool things down). I have an AC but I turn it off when I leave for work, etc. Should I keep it on 24/7 just for the camera? Guess I have to do some research to find out whether its a reverse cycle one, I did only buy it recently - is it something you have to specify? Definitely gonna look into the Pelican case for the camcorder's permanent home. Question though: will it accomodate an AG-DVX100 and a Cavision matte box? The matte box does not have to assembled on the camera. Should I go for the dividers or foam? (Perhaps I should post this in another thread, hmm...) Guess its a plastic bag for now.

May 2nd, 2003, 07:13 AM	#8
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I've never heard of reverse cycle air conditioning. Any airconditioned space will benifit from dehumidification, the closer the unit is matched to the load, the better the dehumidification. Oversized doesn't do a good job. The ideal is a machine that labours constantly. The only other way to extract more moisture is to drop the air temp to the desired dew point and reheat. (that's what a dehumidifier does) 50% RH (at 72 degF) dew point is 54 deg F I'm a Refrigeration Field Eng for a large international maufacturer and somewhat anal about my AC setup. My home rarely goes above 60% RH and is usually around 55%. For storage, I lock my cameras in my office credenza. For those that pack the camera away in a Pelican air tight , just drop a silica gel pack in before you close the lid (if'n you want too). I personally wouldn't bother unless you live in a very humid area. If it's dry when you close the lid it should be dry when you open it back up.

May 2nd, 2003, 01:11 PM	#11
Casey Visco Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 280	Pelican's are great, they have the pick and pluck foam and you can get them in a number of configurations...the 1650 cases we use for the glidecams are big enough to accomodate an xl1 plus a host of accessories...or an xl1, an dvx and some small accessories...plenty of room! not cheap though. __________________ Casey Visco Glidecam Industries, Inc.

May 3rd, 2003, 01:11 AM	#12
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Okay, I'm sold. I'll order one Sunday night so I hope to receive it later that week. What do you think about this place to order it from?

May 3rd, 2003, 01:48 AM	#13
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Christopher, I keep my cams in a plastic bag, and the bag with cam in a "protective" cam case. The cam case sits either in my closet or in my desk drawer (yes, I have a large desk which my wife hates).

May 3rd, 2003, 02:12 AM	#14
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	Reverse cycle must be an english/australian term, it means it can do heating and cooling. I believe the most efficient heaters are just air conditioners running in almost reverse mode, as they create excess heat as an offshoot of cooling. Basically the unit itself is in 2 halves, the big noisy air fan part is outside or on the roof, and tubes run into the house, and the unit on the wall is quiet, usually automatic as well. You set a temp you want the room at, and it can cool or warm it up depending on what season you are in. Some now have become intelligent, and can sense sudden changes in the room and compensate in areas of the room and so on. Zac

May 5th, 2003, 03:06 AM	#15
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Thanks for the explanation, Zac. In regards to the Pelican case, one should be on its way here soon. So, how do you go about customizing the foam, do you cut it, and if so, with what? There any reason why I shouldn't have gotten a black one? In the meanwhile I have the silica packets back in the oven again and have kept the AC on - no sense investing in equipment only to subject them to possible damage. Bryan, I wonder if your expertise would help out on shoots in the arctic when it comes to maintaining equipment properly. Thanks again, everyone.