2:35:1 editing at DVinfo.net

G. Lee Gordon · November 20th, 2009, 09:08 AM

Tim, I hope your out there. Doesn't seem as if a lot of people know about this subject. Is it easier to get a 2:35:1 effect by programming the JVC to film in the format, or to film in 16x9 and add the letterbox effect in FCP? And can you give me some guidance on how to do both. Thx.

Gerdy Vandermeersch · November 20th, 2009, 09:39 AM

Hey Lee

I always film in 16:9. Then I cut the 2 black stripes away with Sorenson software! The advantage of filming in 16:9 and edit it with the letterbox on it, is that you can adjust the frame vertically in postproduction. I like it that way!

You can see an example of one of my 2:35:1 movies on: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/xh-serie...fd-lenses.html

Greetings from Belgium
Gerdy

G. Lee Gordon · November 20th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Thx Gerdy,
you make a valid point. That would give me more leeway while filming. I don't have Sorenson, can you do it in native FCP?

Gerdy Vandermeersch · November 20th, 2009, 02:35 PM

That's something I don't know. I'm using Premiere Pro CS4 on Windows 7, and you can't do that with Premiere only, so... I'm not working with Final Cut.

Have a nice day!

G. Lee Gordon · November 20th, 2009, 07:52 PM

Great piece, out of curiosity how did you do your squares in the movie?

Gerdy Vandermeersch · November 23rd, 2009, 02:30 AM

Thanks Lee,

You mean how I edited the 1st part of the Restaurant-movie? Just worked with layers and added crop filters and motion keyframes in Premiere. That project was made in Pro 2.0. Now I have the CS4.

I used the curves to make smooth motions. I don't know how you do it with Final Cut but I guess it's a little bit the same progress. The stripes were made with New > Title.

Greetings from Belgium

Giuseppe Pugliese · December 1st, 2009, 06:30 PM

shoot in 16x9 making sure you crop your lcd properly for adding the black bars on the top and bottom in post. In FCP there is an actual VFX plugin that adds a perfect 2.35:1 mask. I cant remember what its called but it IS there and I've used it tons of times. You can select from all different crops including 1.85:1, 2.35, 2.50 and anything in between really.

Just make sure you give head room for your shoot so your black bars in post don't cover peoples heads so much.

you can use the information overlay in your VF to kind of figure out where the lines would most likely come down to. The bottom of the text on the top line and the top of the text in the bottom of the VF should give you a good idea of where the extra space where the bars would be, are.

Chad Haufschild · December 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM

Gerdy and Giuseppe are totally right, but there's an easier way in both FCP and PPro. I use both, FCP at work and PPro for my personal projects.

In either software I find it super easy to just use a Photoshop file of the aspect ratio you want to use as a mask then move each clip up or down using each software's motion controls. It's easier in FCP, but you can do it in both.

I use After Effects a lot during the finishing stages especially on my personal projects. You can open a PPro timeline in AE and use AE to manipulate the clip's position and do all the color grading and the like at the same time. This process works great for me.

G. Lee Gordon · December 15th, 2009, 12:28 AM

Hey guys, was messing around FCP and found that it has it built in to the program. Already has several different sized letter boxes preprogrammed. LOL :)

November 20th, 2009, 09:08 AM	#1
G. Lee Gordon Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 431	2:35:1 editing Tim, I hope your out there. Doesn't seem as if a lot of people know about this subject. Is it easier to get a 2:35:1 effect by programming the JVC to film in the format, or to film in 16x9 and add the letterbox effect in FCP? And can you give me some guidance on how to do both. Thx. __________________ "Get Er Done!!!"

November 20th, 2009, 10:31 AM	#3
G. Lee Gordon Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 431	Thx Gerdy, you make a valid point. That would give me more leeway while filming. I don't have Sorenson, can you do it in native FCP? __________________ "Get Er Done!!!"

November 20th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#5
G. Lee Gordon Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 431	Great piece, out of curiosity how did you do your squares in the movie? __________________ "Get Er Done!!!"

December 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM	#8
Chad Haufschild Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 162	Right Idea, but making it too hard. Gerdy and Giuseppe are totally right, but there's an easier way in both FCP and PPro. I use both, FCP at work and PPro for my personal projects. In either software I find it super easy to just use a Photoshop file of the aspect ratio you want to use as a mask then move each clip up or down using each software's motion controls. It's easier in FCP, but you can do it in both. I use After Effects a lot during the finishing stages especially on my personal projects. You can open a PPro timeline in AE and use AE to manipulate the clip's position and do all the color grading and the like at the same time. This process works great for me.

December 15th, 2009, 12:28 AM	#9
G. Lee Gordon Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 431	Hey guys, was messing around FCP and found that it has it built in to the program. Already has several different sized letter boxes preprogrammed. LOL :) __________________ "Get Er Done!!!"

November 20th, 2009, 09:39 AM	#2
Gerdy Vandermeersch Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ieper, Belgium Posts: 75	Hey Lee I always film in 16:9. Then I cut the 2 black stripes away with Sorenson software! The advantage of filming in 16:9 and edit it with the letterbox on it, is that you can adjust the frame vertically in postproduction. I like it that way! You can see an example of one of my 2:35:1 movies on: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/xh-serie...fd-lenses.html Greetings from Belgium Gerdy

November 20th, 2009, 02:35 PM	#4
Gerdy Vandermeersch Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ieper, Belgium Posts: 75	That's something I don't know. I'm using Premiere Pro CS4 on Windows 7, and you can't do that with Premiere only, so... I'm not working with Final Cut. Have a nice day!

November 23rd, 2009, 02:30 AM	#6
Gerdy Vandermeersch Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ieper, Belgium Posts: 75	Thanks Lee, You mean how I edited the 1st part of the Restaurant-movie? Just worked with layers and added crop filters and motion keyframes in Premiere. That project was made in Pro 2.0. Now I have the CS4. I used the curves to make smooth motions. I don't know how you do it with Final Cut but I guess it's a little bit the same progress. The stripes were made with New > Title. Greetings from Belgium

December 1st, 2009, 06:30 PM	#7
Giuseppe Pugliese Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York Posts: 392	shoot in 16x9 making sure you crop your lcd properly for adding the black bars on the top and bottom in post. In FCP there is an actual VFX plugin that adds a perfect 2.35:1 mask. I cant remember what its called but it IS there and I've used it tons of times. You can select from all different crops including 1.85:1, 2.35, 2.50 and anything in between really. Just make sure you give head room for your shoot so your black bars in post don't cover peoples heads so much. you can use the information overlay in your VF to kind of figure out where the lines would most likely come down to. The bottom of the text on the top line and the top of the text in the bottom of the VF should give you a good idea of where the extra space where the bars would be, are.