Another Final Cut Update, JVC Users Snubbed Again at DVinfo.net

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 11:09 AM

Final Cut Released an Update last night that is not a numbered change, but added this:

1080/24P HDV Compressor

It is designed (I assume) for the Canon's 24F although Capture is still not possible. Why wasn't a 720/24P HDV added also considering it has been out for SO LONG!

This is just me ranting again at Apple. This again says that the 720/24P update is probably coming soon, but I keep saying that and we keep getting screwed. I am still putting my money on late August after the Apple convention.

Mike Marriage · June 22nd, 2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Benner

Final Cut Released an Update last night that is not a numbered change, but added this:

1080/24P HDV Compressor

It is designed (I assume) for the Canon's 24F although Capture is still not possible. Why wasn't a 720/24P HDV added also considering it has been out for SO LONG!

This is just me ranting again at Apple. This again says that the 720/24P update is probably coming soon, but I keep saying that and we keep getting screwed. I am still putting my money on late August after the Apple convention.

I hope they have a good excuse - like they are busy working on the new FCP and Pro Mac Tower with built-in HD-SDI I/O, Realtime critical HD monitoring, a load of internal hard drive bays...etc

Miklos Philips · June 22nd, 2006, 12:11 PM

"Unconfirmed sources" and from what I hear... Apple is re-building FCP 6, the next major release, for Intel -based Macs compatibility and they will include the 24P HDV feature in that update, and not until then. Expected in the fall.

Jon Jaschob · June 22nd, 2006, 12:59 PM

And so I will wait to get a Mac till they get this worked out......

Antony Michael Wilson · June 22nd, 2006, 01:14 PM

Now this is interesting. Both Avid and Apple have been promising HDV1 24/25/50fps support 'soon' for a very long time and now it looks like they'll both be bringing it to market very very late at pretty much the same time. Anyone here know what's really going on?

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antony Michael Wilson

Now this is interesting. Both Avid and Apple have been promising HDV1 24/25/50fps support 'soon' for a very long time and now it looks like they'll both be bringing it to market very very late at pretty much the same time. Anyone here know what's really going on?

Avid supporting the JVC (outside of Liquid)? At least we know FCP can support it once this major update is released but Avid's next major release of Xpress Pro (5.5) will not.

Antony Michael Wilson · June 22nd, 2006, 02:01 PM

That's what I mean. AXPro 5.5 is out very soon. The next Avid full release will - we're told - support HDV1 fully. That one will be out 'Q4 2006'. This puts Avid and Apple very close. Both companies have been promising since autumn 2005. Co-incidence?

Antony Michael Wilson · June 22nd, 2006, 02:04 PM

And yes, I'm ignoring Liquid. The future is not bright for what's left from Fast...

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Antony Michael Wilson

That's what I mean. AXPro 5.5 is out very soon. The next Avid full release will - we're told - support HDV1 fully. That one will be out 'Q4 2006'. This puts Avid and Apple very close. Both companies have been promising since autumn 2005. Co-incidence?

I didn't hear about the Avid 6, although things are starting to sound fishy. You would think that Apple or Avid would try to get one up on the other and release theirs first, but it doesn't appear that way.

James Daniels · June 22nd, 2006, 03:22 PM

I bought this camera after hearing they'd demo'd FCP 24P at NAB.
And I've waited, and used hdvxdv (thanks, but not ideal).
C'mon, why demo stuff at all?

Antony Michael Wilson · June 22nd, 2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Benner

I didn't hear about the Avid 6, although things are starting to sound fishy. You would think that Apple or Avid would try to get one up on the other and release theirs first, but it doesn't appear that way.

Yep. It really is fishy now. Both Apple and Avid keep on promising and it really can't be hard. Both have had 30fps for some time and Avid even has a DNx codec for 720/25p already. Avid tell me that they've had to focus on other things like Interplay but this parallel delay from Apple makes me very suspicious indeed. I'll bet JVC are less than happy. There's an Avid logo on the HD100 box but they (and Apple) still haven't followed through and it really must be hurting JVC by now. I know that Edius can handle it and that there are work-arounds for FCP and plug-ins for Premiere but, without native support from Avid and Apple, ProHD is being unfairly hamstrung by companies that announced full HDV1 support last year at the launch of the HD100. What gives? Does anyone actually know?

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antony Michael Wilson

Yep. It really is fishy now. Both Apple and Avid keep on promising and it really can't be hard. Both have had 30fps for some time and Avid even has a DNx codec for 720/25p already. Avid tell me that they've had to focus on other things like Interplay but this parallel delay from Apple makes me very suspicious indeed. I'll bet JVC are less than happy. There's an Avid logo on the HD100 box but they (and Apple) still haven't followed through and it really must be hurting JVC by now. I know that Edius can handle it and that there are work-arounds for FCP and plug-ins for Premiere but, without native support from Avid and Apple, ProHD is being unfairly hamstrung by companies that announced full HDV1 support last year at the launch of the HD100. What gives? Does anyone actually know?

There are and it is rediculous. I really would have like the 720/24P Compressor in FCP. If they did that, Focus could have started working on the 720/24P Wrapper and then we don't have to wait for the FCP update.

Gary Williams · June 22nd, 2006, 06:25 PM

I was at NAB and I saw the apple FCP 24p demode and it looked like it was working great, I watched it for about an hour almost bought the 17" apple note book pro it was being demo'ed on but I also want an HDV burner so I am also going to wait for both. I can tell you that the demonstration of 24p in Final Cut Pro was working very well.

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Williams

I was at NAB and I saw the apple FCP 24p demode and it looked like it was working great, I watched it for about an hour almost bought the 17" apple note book pro it was being demo'ed on but I also want an HDV burner so I am also going to wait for both. I can tell you that the demonstration of 24p in Final Cut Pro was working very well.

And that's what pisses everyone off! They have it, but nothing yet! I really think that the entire Stuido Update will be unvailed along with the "MAC PRO" towers at the Mac conference in August.

Gary Williams · June 22nd, 2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Benner

And that's what pisses everyone off! They have it, but nothing yet! I really think that the entire Stuido Update will be unvailed along with the "MAC PRO" towers at the Mac conference in August.

Yes, I think your right about that and that's what I am holding out for.

June 22nd, 2006, 11:09 AM	#1
Steve Benner Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 590	Another Final Cut Update, JVC Users Snubbed Again Final Cut Released an Update last night that is not a numbered change, but added this: 1080/24P HDV Compressor It is designed (I assume) for the Canon's 24F although Capture is still not possible. Why wasn't a 720/24P HDV added also considering it has been out for SO LONG! This is just me ranting again at Apple. This again says that the 720/24P update is probably coming soon, but I keep saying that and we keep getting screwed. I am still putting my money on late August after the Apple convention.

June 22nd, 2006, 12:11 PM	#3
Miklos Philips Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 104 Images: 12	"Unconfirmed sources" and from what I hear... Apple is re-building FCP 6, the next major release, for Intel -based Macs compatibility and they will include the 24P HDV feature in that update, and not until then. Expected in the fall. __________________ ........................... Miklos Philips Producer-Director Point Zero Pictures http://www.pointzeropictures.com

June 22nd, 2006, 03:22 PM	#10
James Daniels Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 29	P'd off** I bought this camera after hearing they'd demo'd FCP 24P at NAB. And I've waited, and used hdvxdv (thanks, but not ideal). C'mon, why demo stuff at all?

June 22nd, 2006, 12:59 PM	#4
Jon Jaschob Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 232	And so I will wait to get a Mac till they get this worked out......

June 22nd, 2006, 01:14 PM	#5
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	Now this is interesting. Both Avid and Apple have been promising HDV1 24/25/50fps support 'soon' for a very long time and now it looks like they'll both be bringing it to market very very late at pretty much the same time. Anyone here know what's really going on?

June 22nd, 2006, 02:01 PM	#7
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	That's what I mean. AXPro 5.5 is out very soon. The next Avid full release will - we're told - support HDV1 fully. That one will be out 'Q4 2006'. This puts Avid and Apple very close. Both companies have been promising since autumn 2005. Co-incidence?

June 22nd, 2006, 02:04 PM	#8
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	And yes, I'm ignoring Liquid. The future is not bright for what's left from Fast...

June 22nd, 2006, 06:25 PM	#13
Gary Williams Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rocklin, California Posts: 287	I was at NAB and I saw the apple FCP 24p demode and it looked like it was working great, I watched it for about an hour almost bought the 17" apple note book pro it was being demo'ed on but I also want an HDV burner so I am also going to wait for both. I can tell you that the demonstration of 24p in Final Cut Pro was working very well.